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Anonymous:
I was lucky enough to be a participant in this forum in its heyday, and I did use it to resolve some issues and feelings that still clung to me after decades. I was in the Seed in '72-73. I will always be grateful to Greg and to Ginger for creating this space. And to others too, like "Cleveland" (Walter) and Marshall and Terry ("Ft. Lauderdale") and many others who contributed with honesty and heart to the discussion.
Because I wrote a memoir about the Seed which is on the Web and widely read, I often get emails about the Seed from former Seedlings looking for some kind of connection or resolution or . . . just a reality check. For a long time, I knew I could confidently refer them here, to this forum, where I myself found nurture and support and communion for some time.
I have also had email exchanges with Stack Jones. I knew that Stack was still angry, but so are many people. I was a little alarmed when Stack emailed me Lybbi's contact info, but I never would have expected what I've seen here. I just checked this forum closely for the first time in months.
Stack, if you're out there reading this, I still think of you as a good person and in the greater sense, as a friend. But the level of rage you have brought to this forum is frightening to me, and I am concerned that it must alienate many people who come here looking for some comfort and some reasonable conversation about what happened, and to compare notes about how we've all processed the Seed, this terrible chapter of our lives, and how we have or have not put our lives back together over the years.
I have no judgment on anyone for remaining angry or still feeling injured. While I owe Greg an undying debt of gratitude for the forum, I disagree with what he said to someone about how they should get over something that happened 40 years ago. I don't think we are ever in a position to tell other people to "get over it" because really, we've all been hurt and injured in different ways. We're all suffering in different ways. That's how life is. And I think the deeper pain we're in, the more rage we feel, and the more we believe that if we can get revenge it might accomplish something.
So this is a call to Stack and anyone else who is hurting so much that they would desire revenge. I love you. I mean it. I'm so sorry you are hurting so deeply. But please understand that violent language and hateful words will not help you or anyone. Nor will an Art Barker suicide, or tormenting Lybbi or John Underwood . . . their pain will not alleviate yours. In fact, I want to assure you of something. They are in pain already. Really. Believe it. They have not escaped their "karma."
I want this to be a forum again where people can come and have rational--if heated--discussion. Where people are essentially safe.
That's all. I'm typing this in an airport, about to board a plane. Gotta go. I wish everyone reading this peace of heart and mind! Thanks again for the forum.
Cyndeelouwho:
Thanks Marc, you are an inspiration and thoughtful contributer.
Thanks for the karma reminder.
Love you, and not in the seed way LOL.
Cheers and safe travels , my "druggie" friend..(just joking)
justonemore:
Dear marc.. i'm looking up that memoir as soon as i close this I was unaware of this. As to what you said..Hear! hear! as to revenge, well for me no revenge could ever undo what's been done, could ever make me whole. that's the main problem with revenge. However, that this ocurred, and that it still occurs, really baffles me. It baffles me that so many people were able to get away with such serious offenses, were simply able to say " hey we're sorry, but we meant well"
or even worse " well, if you are angry at this mistreatment it' s because of your bad attitude." So many malicious people will damage others and then insist that the victim forgive and take the spiritual "high road". the problem with that "high road" is that it leaves the perpetrators free to continue, and continue they will. So, for me, i continue to seek answers, and to me, no, the Seed Saga doesn't end with the barker clan. In my understanding, and yes, i've pondered the question, God loves justice as well as he loves forgiveness." every hidden thing uncovered, every secret thing revealed" oh boy! it's that little guy again ::unhappy::
Cyndeelouwho:
Here is a link to Marc's memoir, for those who would like to view it
(Thank you, Marc!)
http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/373/the_seed
Full version here :
http://lonesouls.org/marc-polonsky.htm
Anonymous:
I still say a good day in Court. :twofinger: :whip: :rasta:
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