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Jackie Gleason
Anonymous:
anybody remember gleason coming to the seed?
i loved the honeymooners as the guy was a fantastic improve artist.
but, he was a hard core alcoholic. and it was well known.
barker brought a total drunk to the seed - to tell us to stay off drugs and booze.
what a world.
even elvis was nixon's drung czar at the time.
hypocrisy on the u.s. could conjure up.
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "stack jones" ---anybody remember gleason coming to the seed?
i loved the honeymooners as the guy was a fantastic improve artist.
but, he was a hard core alcoholic. and it was well known.
barker brought a total drunk to the seed - to tell us to stay off drugs and booze.
what a world.
even elvis was nixon's drung czar at the time.
hypocrisy on the u.s. could conjure up.
--- End quote ---
In The Seed's case, I'm sure Gleason's difficulties managing alcohol were a big part of his draw. After all, what better person to warn one about the evils of drug abuse than someone who has "been there" and knows it from the perspective of an addict. In this case, an addict to alcohol, as it were. Standard fare for boosting morale and buying credibility and ideological loyalty, at least a small part of it...
I've been told that in real life, Jackie Gleason was a hardcore right-winger who could be a real mean mother fucker. Nevertheless, I'm still a big fan. He was way more talented than most folk realize, and not only as an improv comedian, but as an actor and musician as well. Probably the kind of performer and artist Art imagined he himself could have become, had he gotten the breaks he probably felt he deserved.
Coincidental to Barker's orchestration of Gleason's visit to The Seed, or perhaps not, they're both originally from the tenements of Brooklyn, NY. Moreover, by the mid 1960s, Gleason had also moved to Florida.
Anonymous:
jackie gleason was an icon. no doubt. minnesota fats for one. also, the fact that he scored the honeymooner's theme proved he was gifted in many aspects.
but, my point is NOT what jackie had to offer, but that barker saw a way to use an addict to communicate to us.
what happened to the rule - no druggy friends. or druggy hangouts. didn't that apply to alcoholics as well?
so, my guess is -- so long as it helped puff up the tattooed idiot, it was ok.
so, my guess is - that if barker could sell a couple containers of heroin, for profit, he'd a dunnit.
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and when i was a kid - pre-seed, i saw gleason at haulover shooting a film.
i said hello to him, between camera set-ups and he said - "get out of here kid."
he had a tall thin glass of something in his hand, and it sure wasn't orange juice.
so...
stars are not gods.
he wasn't a god when i saw him at the seed either.
just a hypocrite, like elvis as the drug czar.
Anonymous:
yes i do remember gleason coming to the seed, barker introducing gleason in am embarrassingly fawning way. Barker also had such a desperate need for celebrity ... this to ursus.. In the first and in the main.. what's wrong with 'hardcore right wingers" I AM ONE.. largely as a result of the seed. No, not in reaction to the seed. ( am not against dope, hell that's your choice, but please God spare me either hippies or prohibitionists talking about it! Puhleeze, no more cheap-jack sermons about it Ya know) anyway miami history, maybe it's pertinent, maybe it's not. Miami, as you know, has long been a Mob-town. The italian mob, now the russian mob, cuban, nicaraguan, pick a mob, any mob, and miami is their town. Gleason was long-rumored to be mob property. Miami is, and always has been a hot-bed of espionage, no really, a capitol of the industry.. Gleason had his headquarters in miami lakes and in the mid-70'sa sold it to the association of general contractors, for their headquarters. They had connections with among others, Hugh Sloan, of Nixon white house fame. Gosh, so much was going on in those years.. is that pertinent? maybe.
here's my buddy! ( follows me everywhere) ::unhappy::
Ursus:
--- Quote from: "justonemore" ---...anyway miami history, maybe it's pertinent, maybe it's not. Miami, as you know, has long been a Mob-town. The italian mob, now the russian mob, cuban, nicaraguan, pick a mob, any mob, and miami is their town. Gleason was long-rumored to be mob property. Miami is, and always has been a hot-bed of espionage, no really, a capitol of the industry.. Gleason had his headquarters in miami lakes and in the mid-70'sa sold it to the association of general contractors, for their headquarters. They had connections with among others, Hugh Sloan, of Nixon white house fame. Gosh, so much was going on in those years.. is that pertinent? maybe.
here's my buddy! ( follows me everywhere) ::unhappy::
--- End quote ---
I think it's pertinent.
There are also some petroleum-industry-related companies with close ties to Texas that might also be pertinent.
And I think Art Barker's World War II experiences might also be pertinent.
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