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GregFL:
Maybe hanging around this verbal sewer for so long is skewering your definitions and making you obfuscate the difference between polite and attack.
Maybe this will help
po·lite (p-lt) KEY
ADJECTIVE:
po·lit·er , po·lit·est
Marked by or showing consideration for others, tact, and observance of accepted social usage.
at·tack (-tk) KEY
VERB:
at·tacked , at·tack·ing , at·tacks
VERB:
tr.
To set upon with violent force.
To criticize strongly or in a hostile manner.
The forum had a strong threshold for definition of attack. Someone could criticise strongly, for example, but not so much in a hostile manner. Politeness was never required but many offered it anyway.
Again...perfect? No
Better than the rest of fornits in my subjective opinion? By a country mile.
As Ginger is fond of saying, your mileage may vary.
psy:
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It seems as if you want to have a private discussion where we can invite the staff in for a nice little tea party. After everything so many survivors have been through, do you really find it appropriate to tell them one more time they have to be polite to their tormentors? I have to say I find that notion a tad bit offensive in itself. They dished it out in program and if they can't take it back... fuck em. Then that's their choice not to participate (and at least they have it... at least they can turn off the fucking screen which is not exactly an option in program).
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This is where we get a peek at your bais and why you really want an unmoderated forum. There is no wish for a fair conversation just a format where you can stick it to your perceived tormentors.
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No. It happens just as often in the other direction. You're hardly pro program and yet you are attacked. I've been personally attacked with all sorts of things on Fornits and elsewhere. So has Ginger, but we don't take it down. Sometimes the weak get attacked and when that happens I see that happen try and stick up for them at the very least to keep the discussion going. Just recently I convinced a program director to come on here and state his case.
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I explained how Fornits was, what to expect, and so forth. He understood Ginger's policies and their basis well, actually and although he found it stressful, it stuck through it, stated his case, and answered a lot of looming questions. All in all I think it turned out well and a lot of questions were answered. People can learn to adapt to an unmoderated environment.
Look. If you knew me better you'd know that there is no secret motivation behind my opinions on these policies. I'd actually like it if more staff came on here, roughed it out, and stated their case, but it's not worth the cost of telling others they can't say something. Survivors are verbally attacked severely sometimes and myself and Antigen will get PMs begging us to take something down and we have to say no. It's the only way to be fair. It's not an issue of picking sides. Some leave, some stick around, some I talk to on chat and recommend a private survivor group or something. Again you don't know me well enough of you're saying something like that. I understand that most staff are recruited from within and indoctrinated and so forth... but they were still in a position of power over others and intentionally or not they did victimize others. I think it does a disservice to those victims to tell them what they can or cannot say to their tormentors. You can't force forgiveness. It's too much like a program and once again puts the victims in a position where in a sense their tormentors have power over them, even if by proxy. Sometimes the most healing thing, I think, is to be able to say whatever the hell you choose to those who once had power over you and get away with it... to not be silenced.
--- Quote ---That is fine Psy, just state your intentions and stop pretending this format yields an objective fair discussion. My intention was never a tea party but rather an environment where people could discuss the topic in a manner they felt safe and provide as fair a conversation as I could. I already knew what the unmoderated forum yielded. Most of us left respecting each other, including people who spent their entire lives at the inner core of the cult and those felt most abused by the seed.
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Yes, but in a way that respect was artificially engineered. Sometimes there has to be fighting words first to get the anger out or it will always be there.
--- Quote ---My request still respecfully stands to seperate the prior forum from the unmoderated one. Please discuss this with Ginger and let me know. Thank you in advance for your consideration.
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I'll discuss it with her, but I can't say it'll be likely that your request will be granted.
GregFL:
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Yes, but in a way that respect was artificially engineered.
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Not, it was earned by the particpants and the understanding that flowed from these pages. You see, that forum had a way of weeding out the trolls. The unmoderated forum has a way of weeding out people with no tolerance for trolls. The end result is two different groups of people, with of course some overlap.
--- Quote ---My request still respecfully stands to seperate the prior forum from the unmoderated one. Please discuss this with Ginger and let me know. Thank you in advance for your consideration.
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I'll discuss it with her, but I can't say it'll be likely that your request will be granted.[/quote]
Thanks, I appreciate the effort and the conversation.
Anonymous:
Greg SHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, no one cares what you post....sigh..... :bump: :flip: :flip: :rose:
FemanonFatal2.0:
Fornits is a clusterfuck.
I honestly can barely make any sense of it right now.
its a love hate relationship.
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