Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Ridge Creek School / Hidden Lake Academy
John David Reuben's Son, Max Reuben and HLA
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---This is very consistent with the thinking on fornits. So every child in a program is due to bad parenting (100%). Great thinking!
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Nope just yours. You were a bad parent, so your kid killed himself.
--- Quote ---Some feel the kids don’t have any problems at all. Which is it
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[citation needed]
--- Quote ---Hmm.... Jails, okay
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Yes jails. I'm glad you finally come to understand this and accept it.
--- Quote ---You know this to be fact
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You would. Clear the air for us right now.
--- Quote ---You know this to be fact
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See the above post.
No links no evidence. This is why I post here. You speculate and make up stories to suit your agenda. What are readers to believe here? In one post you make up stories and in another you are desperate to make people believe these abusive programs are safe. Where do the stories end and the facts begin?
--- Quote ---Link, to study?
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Why would you care about evidence now? You weren't able to back up any of your own claims.
--- Quote ---Lets see the facts then. I see the words you write, but no evidence. This is when you take off and run.
Your post has made my case, thank you
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That brings up a good idea. Why don't you start your data base of kids who were murdered by this industry up again. Add your dead kid's name to the top of the list.
Once you're done with that provide the post where you gave permission to have your guest post linked. I'm not letting you off the hook Peter.
TheWho:
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--- Quote ---I think what is posted is a fair depiction. Two kids in programs = bad parenting, period.
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This is very consistent with the thinking on fornits. So every child in a program is due to bad parenting (100%). Great thinking!
--- Quote ---These kids had problems that should have been addressed by real help.
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Some feel the kids don’t have any problems at all. Which is it?
--- Quote --- Sadly, instead they were locked up in kiddie jails.
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Hmm.... Jails, okay.
--- Quote ---Mike never had a drug problem,
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You know this to be fact.
--- Quote --- but as soon as he got out of ASR, he started one.
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You know this to be fact.
--- Quote --- Why is that? What about his life prior to being parolled from ASR drove him to drugs? We'll never know now. He's dead. Like many other ASR parolees.
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No links no evidence. This is why I post here. You speculate and make up stories to suit your agenda. What are readers to believe here? In one post you make up stories and in another you are desperate to make people believe you were abused in a program. Where do the stories end and the facts begin?
--- Quote ---Average age to death for an ASR inmate seems to be around 23-25 years. That's just the data. Sorry, but data doesn't lie.
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Link, to study?
--- Quote ---There happen to be lots of corpses surrounding ASR and other teen warehouses. The correlation is very high. Facts are facts.
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Lets see the facts then. I see the words you write, but no evidence. This is when you take off and run.
Your post has made my case, thank you.
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:flame: :twofinger:
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Max Reuben is the second son of John D. Reuben of "SavingTeens.org" (STICC). Max was sent to HLA from 2004 to 2008.
His brother, Mike, was sent to SUWS and then to ASR. Because his real issues were never dealt with at these kiddie prisons, he killed himself last year with an overdose of heroin. Prior to going to SUWS and ASR, Mike had never been a drug abuser. He became one after four years of detention.
Did any of you go to HLA with Max? If so, I'd like to know if HLA allowed him to attend his mother's funeral.
HLA uses family tragedies to gain compliance from their detainees. They will say things like "If you want to go to your mom's funeral, you better straighten up right now, or you won't go!" Nothing like mind-raping a kid who just lost his mom, right?
Did any of you know Max well? Did you meet his dad? If so, what was his dad like in person? On fornits he's a little coward 'who' hides behind his supposed anonymity and degrades people who had bad experiences at HLA and ASR, even though his neglect and ASR's abuse led to his son's death.
I just wonder what kind of parent does such a lousy job of raising his kids that they both 'needed' kiddie jail time.
Any feedback is appreciated, especially about how HLA handles Max's mom's death.
Thank you in advance for your thoughtful replies.
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Was he allowed to go to his mom's funeral or not? Simple question.
Troll Control:
--- Quote from: "bobpeterson1973" ---Nicole Fuglslang of CALO (Change Academy Lake of the Ozarks)
http://www.bergermontague.com/pdfs/Hidd ... plaint.pdf
5. Further, during the Class Period HLA has also enrolled a number of "court-ordered," "violent" or "severely disturbed" students . The enrollment of these children has led, among other things, to several incidents during the Class Period in which students have been violently assaulted by other students -- the precise opposite of the "therapeutic" mission the school tells families it follows. Indeed, an internal HLA email sent in February 2006 by Clarke Poole, HLA's former Director of Admissions during the period January 2000 through March 2006, to HLA's current Director of Admissions (and Public Relations), Nicole Fuglslang, detailed the exploits of three of these students, including one female student who sexually assaulted another female student, and two male students -- who both reportedly were referred to the school by defendant Buccellato himself despite the clear risks these children posed -- who brutally attacked other students .
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I guess John didn't care that there violent sexual offenders mixed in with glue huffers.
Troll Control:
No, I guess not. But as policy, HLA does not allow kids to go to funerals. They usually keep them locked up to "keep their thoughts right" like in Cool Hand Luke. I wonder if that's where their treatment model comes from? Lock 'em up, work 'em to near death and deprive 'em of any contact with outsiders while the inmates set up the rules and the pecking order. Lots of similarities there.
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