Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Aspen Education Group
John D. Reuben and SavingTeens.org
Whooter:
--- Quote ---Yeah, no shit. Your agenda is to push programs. Mine is to try and help kids
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Apparently you haven’t been reading the links like so many others have. See the book doesn’t push programs and neither do I. If you took time to educate yourself you would see I am the one helping kids.
--- Quote ---Of course you will. Because you're a cold, soulless freak who profits off of kids' pain and death. How proud you must be!
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Hmmm.... Not sure what that means.
--- Quote --- Too bad it's the kids who lose.
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This where we both agree and is the reason I am here. Unlike you I am interested in getting kids the help they need (you could care less about them). You seem to be angry at programsand industries. Try thinking of someone besides yourself, it may help you feel better.
Just stay focused on keeping this thread at the top. I will handle the rest.
Troll Control:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Funny thing, I read Dave Marcus's book and noticed that the student who died was not part of the four featured in his book. There was a student from that group who did die but not one of the four. It amazes me how you all talk thoughtfully about a book which most of you have never read or even held in your hands. And it is general knowledge that ASR does not even use the program mentioned in that book. And no, I do not work for ASR though I am in the field.
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One of the book's subjects did indeed die. After the book was written, but dead nonetheless. And you're saying another kid died also? So 2 kids from "peer group 2" died then? How many in the peer group? 10? So, 20% of the kids at ASR at the time ended up dead? SCARY.
So, if ASR doesn't use the program in the book, the author was making it all up? Lying?
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Funny. Now that the Marcus book proves to be an embarrassment to the ASR (100% failure rate and 25% death rate) the trolls pivot to "ASR doesn't even use the program in the book. Marcus is a liar!"
If my success rate were 0%, I'd try to distance myself from it, too.
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This is a great point. This book has been held out as "proof" programs work, but now someone who currently works in the industry is claiming the Marcus book is actually full of lies; that ASR doesn't even use the program described in the book. So who's lying? Is it ASR? Is it Marcus? They can't both be true stories.
Either way, ASR has a lot of dead kids associated with it. They die at arate of 25%. This is an unacceptable risk especially since Aspen has admitted they don't even provide treatment. So you're taking a 25% chance your kid will die at Aspen while knowing with surety there's a 100% chance of you kid getting no treatment.
Aspen is lose-lose for the parents and the kids.
Whooter:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Funny thing, I read Dave Marcus's book and noticed that the student who died was not part of the four featured in his book. There was a student from that group who did die but not one of the four. It amazes me how you all talk thoughtfully about a book which most of you have never read or even held in your hands. And it is general knowledge that ASR does not even use the program mentioned in that book. And no, I do not work for ASR though I am in the field.
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One of the book's subjects did indeed die. After the book was written, but dead nonetheless. And you're saying another kid died also? So 2 kids from "peer group 2" died then? How many in the peer group? 10? So, 20% of the kids at ASR at the time ended up dead? SCARY.
So, if ASR doesn't use the program in the book, the author was making it all up? Lying?
--- End quote ---
Funny. Now that the Dave Marcus book proves to be an embarrassment to the ASR (100% failure rate and 25% death rate) the trolls pivot to "ASR doesn't even use the program in the book. Marcus is a liar!"
If my success rate were 0%, I'd try to distance myself from it, too.
--- End quote ---
This is a great point. This book has been held out as "proof" programs work, but now someone who currently works in the industry is claiming the Marcus book is actually full of lies; that ASR doesn't even use the program described in the book. So who's lying? Is it ASR? Is it Dave Marcus? Is it fornits posters?They can't all be true stories.
Either way, ASR has a lot of dead kids associated with it. They die at arate of 25%. This is an unacceptable risk especially since Aspen has admitted they don't even provide treatment. So you're taking a 25% chance your kid will die at Aspen while knowing with surety there's a 100% chance of you kid getting no treatment.
Aspen is lose-lose for the parents and the kids.
Anonymous:
Christ!!! With how much time you spend altering everyone's posts, you've GOT to be getting paid by Aspen or Reuben. Do you have a job or is this it?? Do you sit there all fucking day, watching and waiting for a post to pop up so you can fuck with it?
Classic program tactics. As I said, have at it asshole. Keep proving our point.
Whooter:
Christ!!! With how much time you spend altering everyone's posts, you've GOT to be getting paid by Aspen or Reuben. Do you have a job or is this it?? Do you sit there all fucking day, watching and waiting for a post to pop up so you can fuck with it?
Classic program tactics. As I said, have at it asshole. Keep proving our point. Keep posting.
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