Author Topic: CALO Ropes Course (Read 3430 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #45 on:** June 22, 2009, 08:57:17 PM »

Quote from: "SatansLawyer"

Quote from: "bobpeterson1973"
I will not resort to name calling whereas your comments are indicative you don't have the ability to see the whole picture. As far as the ropes course, it is not about being "wussies." It is about safety which prevents accidents the school could get sued for.
To be fair, at this juncture we have no idea what was going on off-camera. Perhaps there was a big pit of foam below that we don't see, making an otherwise unsafe activity safe. At this point we only have one side of the story which is largely based on speculation.

A lot of "newbies" appearing to defend CALO. A new who tactic? A calo tactic? Anyone want to guess?

SatansLawyer · « **Reply #46 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:04:40 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

A lot of "newbies" appearing to defend CALO. A new who tactic? A calo tactic? Anyone want to guess?

Not a newbie. Just a concerned observer who has been around for some time. I believe that Fornits is being played against CALO and vice-versa and I intend to make that case (hence the name I chose). If you're wise, you'll consider all possibilities at this point because if you've been paying close attention, not everything around here adds up and not everything is as it seems. I don't care about whether the program is wrong or right. I am not the judge. I only care about the truth, and even if it is unpleasant, I intend to help expose it. All I want is for both sides of this story to be represented and I truly hope Ken Huey will come out to tell it at some point. I can't do it for him. All I can do is point out irregularities and ask questions.

Anonymous · « **Reply #47 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:23:33 PM »

Quote from: "SatansLawyer"

Quote from: "Guest"
A lot of "newbies" appearing to defend CALO. A new who tactic? A calo tactic? Anyone want to guess?
Not a newbie. Just a concerned observer who has been around for some time. I believe that Fornits is being played against CALO and vice-versa and I intend to make that case (hence the name I chose). If you're wise, you'll consider all possibilities at this point because if you've been paying close attention, not everything around here adds up and not everything is as it seems. I don't care about whether the program is wrong or right. I am not the judge. I only care about the truth, and even if it is unpleasant, I intend to help expose it. All I want is for both sides of this story to be represented and I truly hope Ken Huey will come out to tell it at some point. I can't do it for him. All I can do is point out irregularities and ask questions.

Go, dishonest, crazy person!!

Anonymous · « **Reply #48 on:** June 22, 2009, 10:07:56 PM »

Here is the context in which the "ropes courses" were used, as part of systematic program to psychologically fracture, terrorize and brainwash detainees, as we have contended:

Quote from: "Sum Ting Wong"

Quote
ME:
Did you do the ropes course?

XXXXXXXX:

yes I did

ME:

can you describe how that worked?

XXXXXXXX:

yeah

They had us get in a line silently. They picked their favorites first. Then if we got scared or said we were done. They would say we had to do more or it was regroup.

Then if you didn't cheer the others on. You would get on regroup and you could not leave the area

ME:

So you didn't have a choice about doing the ropes course, it was do it or get in trouble?

XXXXXXX:

Yes

ME:

What kind of regroups did you have to do?

XXXXXX:

I had to pick up hole punched dots on the ground and move them from cup to cup. With out stopping

I had to clean bathroom without gloves

dust fake plants

umm...pick up crumbs off the floor with my hands

scrub the floor with a toothbrush

scrub the floor

with a rag

ME:

this was for Ropes course?

XXXXXXXX:

umm well regroup was the same no matter what you did

ME:

Did regroup feel like a chance to reflect on the problem or did it feel like something else?

XXXXXX:

felt like a punishment Couldn't talk

couldn't even ask for the bathroom

They would tell you when you could go

to the bathroom

ME:

What did you do if you had to use the bathroom?

XXXXXXX:

You waited until they told you that you could go

ME:

you ever experience any pain or discomfort for having to wait for permission to use the bathroom?

XXXXXXX:

umm yes

ME:

and did you ever try to ask to go even though you knew you weren't supposed to?

XXXXXXXX:

Yes and I got rrestrained

ME:

For asking to use the bathroom, you got restrained?

XXXXXXX:

yes they did not like me questioning authority

ME:

Did you try to hurt yourself, hurt anyone else before this restraint?

XXXXXXXX:

no

well for other things

but not this

ME:

Ok.. so back to ropes course..

XXXXXXX:

okay

ME:

Did you have to complete ropes course to advance in CALO's program?

XXXXXXX:

yes

ME:

So it wasn't voluntary, you couldn't choose not to do it, and if you didn't do it you couldn't advance?

XXXXXXX:

yes

ME:

And if you got scared and stopped you'd get punished with a regroup?

XXXXXXX:

yes

ME:

Did anyone ever get restrained at the Ropes Course?

XXXXXXXX:

yes

ME:

Were they trying to hurt themselves or anyone else?

XXXXXXXX:

nope not all of the time

ME:

Do you think you got anything out of CALO's ropes course?

XXXXXXXX:

Nah not really

ME:

Did you see Ken Huey ever restrain a resident?

XXXXXXX:

a few

ME:

So a few people?

XXXXXX:

yes

ME:

Were they trying to hurt themselves or another?

XXXXXXX:

yes

ME:

Were they ever not trying to hurt themselves or another?

XXXXXXXX:

yes

ME:

And you saw Ken Huey try to restrain them?

XXXXXXX:

yes

he usually took over a restraint

for another staff

ME:

Did these restraints appear to be painful?

XXXXXX:

yes

most staff restrained kids painfully

ME:

Did the people being restrained ever beg staff to stop?

XXXXXXX:

yes

ME:

How did the staff respond?

XXXXXX:

they would either yell, cuss

or put them on regroup

rarely did they let them go

unless authority gave approval

ME:

Ok.. that's all I have time for now, do you mind if I edit this intertiew for grammar, spelling, and to protect your identity?

XXXXXXXX:

Yes

ME:

Do you give me permission to post this interview, in editted form, on a public forum on the internet?

XXXXXXXXX:

yes if NO ONE knows its me

ME:

Your name will never be uttered from my lips or fingertips.

thanks, I'll get this fixed up and posted. You've been a great help.

XXXXXXXXX:

okay thank you

sure thing

thanks

ME:

bye!

XXXXXXX:

bye

This interview has been editted to protect the identity of the survivor and the interviewer.

Ursus · « **Reply #49 on:** June 23, 2009, 01:09:21 AM »

Quote from: "duderino"

have you ever even ben on a ropes course? were you that kid that cried for mommy the second you climbed the ladder? were you that spoiled city girl that got to the "hard part", gave up, and were left dangling there crying untill you grew some balls and finished it? were you the the fattass that passed out on the zipline from terror, thinking you were gonna break the thing?

This is not your typical ropes course.

Quote from: "bobpeterson1973"

I worked for 3 years at a wilderness school, so I know what I'm talking about. It is dangerous for a child to participate in a ropes course element blindfolded. That is the issue.

There is also the issue of how CALO uses the ropes course, namely as a trust-building exercise. That certainly figures into the blindfolds as well. The whole alleged premise of CALO is to teach these kids how to have healthy interdependent relationships, and developing trust for others is a part of this.

What choice do you have when you're up there on the ropes with a blindfold on? CALO is forcing these kids to "trust"... much the same way Evergreen forces kids to "trust" while being smothered by their therapists. There's no getting away from them. Time-IN, not time-out, right?

What happens to the extreme introverts for whom such forced trust and closeness will never be natural? I fail to understand how coercion and pressure to move up in the levels can't help but impact some of these kids negatively in the long run.

Ursus · « **Reply #50 on:** June 23, 2009, 01:17:34 AM »

Jeeeezzz... I had that post written and forgot to post it earlier. Just now saw that INTERVIEW.

Ropes course as weapon in arsenal of mind-fuckery.

Anonymous · « **Reply #51 on:** June 23, 2009, 01:22:16 AM »

Not to say this person is lying, but do we know that Sum Ting Wong isn't someone from CALO trying to make fornits look unreliable by posting something they wrote themselves?

I find it somewhat suspcisous.

Fem or psyborgue, do you know if this is legit?

Ursus · « **Reply #52 on:** June 23, 2009, 01:28:12 AM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Not to say this person is lying, but do we know that Sum Ting Wong isn't someone from CALO trying to make fornits look unreliable by posting something they wrote themselves?

I find it somewhat suspcisous.

Fem or psyborgue, do you know if this is legit?

Well, it's highly unlikely that it is CALO, unless they've been sifting through fornits with a fine-toothed comb for the last couple of years (not likely). Sum Ting Wong is an occasional poster here.

zapperwhapper22 · « **Reply #53 on:** June 23, 2009, 02:10:40 AM »

Why do people say such bad things about CALO?

FemanonFatal2.0 · « **Reply #54 on:** June 23, 2009, 03:04:40 AM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Not to say this person is lying, but do we know that Sum Ting Wong isn't someone from CALO trying to make fornits look unreliable by posting something they wrote themselves?

I find it somewhat suspcisous.

Fem or psyborgue, do you know if this is legit?

I can verify I know the OP and I'm certain they would not forge a survivor statement.

Anonymous · « **Reply #55 on:** June 26, 2009, 01:40:02 AM »

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