Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Can someone please call the FBI, CPS, whomever?
Inculcated:
Yeah, ew, CREEPY in a very unsubtle way. I taste bile.
Why is Che Gookin F*ing around posting family albums; when some of his creative rage could be constructively directed toward such a cause as this nasty bugger?
Paul St. John:
I think that having to carry around 10 lbs a day to symbolize all the crabs you are carrying around is definitly abuse. That goes without saying. I mean, honsetly, it is sick and twisted, and I almost have to laugh at the fools with that come up with this shit.
And the woman who wrote that post about her son is basically crazy. She's a fucking nut job, and if this poor guy makes it through to adulthood as a sane and good person, he will have accomplished much just in doing that. It really is a shame that there are so many sick fucks in the world. I would love to see that bitch in a program..LMAO!
getting back to the whole crab thing.. It is not so much the weight that is the issue, but just the mere act. It is psychological abuse. Every second that this kid carries that rock around, he is taking physical actions to help them humilate and degrade him, and he has to continue to do it, and when those books get heavy, he has to fight to make a fool of himself. And anyone who says that 10 lbs isn t heavy, I'd like to see you carry it around 24/7. I have actually done it, but I did it as a workout.
But the FBI really doesn t care. It is understandable to hear stories like these and just want to do something to help, but the FBI has other things to worry about, but a post on the internet. How do you even know the post is legit? I think it is and all, but how do you know?
My point of veiw, personally on putting an end to these atrocities, is through spreading the true facts about them, and giving them a bad public image.
Someone said that forcing this guy to carry these books around is not illegal. You bet your ass it is! There is at least 1 law, probably many more, that could be applied, but the problem is that laws are open to intepretation, and right noone is going to find the right laws and apply them.
Also, new laws can be made too. And watch laws will eventually be applied, and perhaps, even new laws applied.
When the socail conscience turns against these places, the laws will applied. It WILL happen.
I have heard the posters here at Fornits referred to as "Outlanders", but eventually, the ideas here in regards to these place will be the norm. "Abolition" had to start somewhere, too.
Since I have been vewing this site and many others, I have heard many times about law suits and such. I am not sure if any of them panned out,
BUT
If you work to spread awareness of these places and their reality, you are actually working towards a lawsuit, cause when the public image changes and people get involved and start to care.... you will not have to look for a lawyer willing to take your case. LAWYERS WILL BE CALLING YOU!!! Perhaps, even the FBI, as well.
Paul St. John
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Paul St. John" ---I think that having to carry around 10 lbs a day to symbolize all the crabs you are carrying around is definitly abuse. That goes without saying. I mean, honsetly, it is sick and twisted, and I almost have to laugh at the fools with that come up with this shit.
And the woman who wrote that post about her son is basically crazy. She's a fucking nut job, and if this poor guy makes it through to adulthood as a sane and good person, he will have accomplished much just in doing that. It really is a shame that there are so many sick fucks in the world. I would love to see that bitch in a program..LMAO!
getting back to the whole crab thing.. It is not so much the weight that is the issue, but just the mere act. It is psychological abuse. Every second that this kid carries that rock around, he is taking physical actions to help them humilate and degrade him, and he has to continue to do it, and when those books get heavy, he has to fight to make a fool of himself. And anyone who says that 10 lbs isn t heavy, I'd like to see you carry it around 24/7. I have actually done it, but I did it as a workout.
But the FBI really doesn t care. It is understandable to hear stories like these and just want to do something to help, but the FBI has other things to worry about, but a post on the internet. How do you even know the post is legit? I think it is and all, but how do you know?
My point of veiw, personally on putting an end to these atrocities, is through spreading the true facts about them, and giving them a bad public image.
Someone said that forcing this guy to carry these books around is not illegal. You bet your ass it is! There is at least 1 law, probably many more, that could be applied, but the problem is that laws are open to intepretation, and right noone is going to find the right laws and apply them.
Also, new laws can be made too. And watch laws will eventually be applied, and perhaps, even new laws applied.
When the socail conscience turns against these places, the laws will applied. It WILL happen.
I have heard the posters here at Fornits referred to as "Outlanders", but eventually, the ideas here in regards to these place will be the norm. "Abolition" had to start somewhere, too.
Since I have been vewing this site and many others, I have heard many times about law suits and such. I am not sure if any of them panned out,
BUT
If you work to spread awareness of these places and their reality, you are actually working towards a lawsuit, cause when the public image changes and people get involved and start to care.... you will not have to look for a lawyer willing to take your case. LAWYERS WILL BE CALLING YOU!!! Perhaps, even the FBI, as well.
Paul St. John
--- End quote ---
thank you. Of course, FORCING KIDS TO WALK WITH A weighted bag all day, day after day, because they are "bad" to help develop a more submissive state in them is abuse.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---Tell me this: What has CAFETY actually accomplished? What of consequence have they actually done? Have they taken down even a single program?
--- End quote ---
Spreading the word, getting various organization to take notice. Indeed, systemic change is slow. Shutting down one program doesn't create significant change at the end of the day.
Though, I suspect the testimony around Mission Mountain School had much to do with its shutting down. But that means little at the end of the day...(sadly)
As did work around Mount Bachelor. So, strategically, that's less (though not entirely so) CAFETY's focus as compared to bringing the survivor and human rights perspective to the forefront on mental health discussion and other professionals. Educating organizations to change their policy, work to get laws passed, for community based care, culture change, etc. is real change. Not a band-aid, cause we can work on battling individual programs 'till the cows come home... but, at the end of the say, it just doesn't appear to make a dent. Unless it makes big news, but for that to happen, a number of factors coming together must occur. Namely, public pressure. Thus, public education campaigns appear to be the place to start - increasing visibility and reducing stigma.
Politiking and posturing may be one way of framing the work linked below, networking and connecting with people to share a vision that may hold the possibility for real change may be the other side of that same coin. I guess it depends on how the strategy is perceived. I, obviously, don't agree with that assesement.
I get the politking - eh, not sure harm there- politicizing the issue is critical for change. The personal is political and all that jazz. The posturing... thats unclear to me. Who posturing for what? What posturing, exactly? CAFETY is a group that has been systemically disempowered seeking to empower themselves through supporting one another and educational efforts. You may not be interested in being a part of the effort, but there's really no reason to negate the power many have unearthed from within themselves in connected with others and the work they have done. Let us not forget, CAFETY is a group of individuals, made up of individuals - its members and people who work passionately for social justice. And, for being around for such a short time, with limited resources, the accomplishments and respect earned from the professionalism and well thought out advocacy efforts are praise worthy. Particularly considering that the majority of its members and leadership have survived, against all odds, all the issues that come from trauma (both before program experience, during and after). Its actually quite remarkable. I stand in awe and pride, giving credit where credit is due. No other group has done what CAFETY has done. And, not to say things couldn't be done better or growing pains aren't happening, and not to say that CAFETY is some super power. But other haven't done it, and that IS the point. And CAFETY yield power in the respect earned - nothing wrong with that. CAFETY has built roads and will continue to build roads, where none existed. With the understanding that, if nothing else, all we have is our human connections. Without them, we can't change a damn thing.
Better to light one candle than to scream in the darkness.
http://cafety.org/cafetys-accomplishments
Anonymous:
I would like to add....
http://cafety.org/california-chapter
More productive than sitting around complaining about what happened. Informing people is not only productive to the cause but enlightening on ones own experience, cathartic and validating to themselves and parents and other survivors that cross their paths.
xoxo
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