Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Can someone please call the FBI, CPS, whomever?
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---Chances are neither CPS or DRC would take any action, but at least you can put this on their radar.
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Or they'll flag any critics of the program as complete lunatics for even suggesting a 10 pound bookbag on it's own is abuse. People are prejudiced and "the boy who cried wolf" gets blamed on the group, sadly.
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If ya read correctly, the implication's that this boy is being forced to carry a 10 pound "bag of books" all the time, to the extent that he is made "uncomfortable" because he's bad, and has caused a situation which is completely out of his control, until he breaks, or whatever these parents are looking for. Please stop misrelating what’s in the post again, and again. This is in the greater context of the institutionalized setting, and in the WWASP institutions which are famously abusive.
Educate yourself about the cumulative physical and psychological effects of enduring discomfort or pain deliberately induced by a captor. Was Kat Whithead’s friend being forced to carry around stones not abuse, then? I can't believe I am explaining this on fornits!
If you are worried about being critics “in general” being "flagged as lunatics" based on what individuals say, you might want to reconsider calling A.A. a cult every other sentence, or ranting about never getting govt involved in protecting people from torment--which many people find pretty friggin “loony.”
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "WhynotjustcontactCAFETY" ---Why don't you email someone at CAFETY directly instead of speculating here? I'm sure they'd be more than supportive and someone would be willing to make the call if you feel uncomfortable doing so. Calling on investigators can be intimidating.
Try any of these people who have their emails listed:
http://cafety.org/board-of-advisors
http://cafety.org/board
I'm sure someone will help you.
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This is what I am going to do.
Anonymous:
Don't let the red admin title under psy's name convince you otherwise, the guy is certifiable. He lives for the red admin title under his name and he even told me it's his main purpose in life and he wouldn't know what he'd do if he didn't have fornits and all the people he met through here. It's sad really, because he is on many medications and still in treatment for persistent mental health problems.
If you assume psy is more intelligent or somehow representative of any anti program coalition you are mistaken. Antigen chose psy to admin because he is the only one who will do it for free and nerdy enough to know how. I talked to antigen about it, and she says he calls her often and sometimes accidentely calls her 'mommy'. What kind of person in their twenties calls someone 'mommy', even if by mistake? We are talking about some serious damaged goods here people.
To psy, a child forced to carry a weighted down backpack all day is not abusive, but staff not allowing for him to have his laptop, is. To psy, flying thousands of miles to stalk your former program and it's clients with a video camera is kosher, but names being posted of kids in a program is 'extreme'. This place is so funny, keep it up fornits freaks, keep pumping the free entertainment out at this pace and I might cancel my cable.
psy:
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--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---Chances are neither CPS or DRC would take any action, but at least you can put this on their radar.
--- End quote ---
Or they'll flag any critics of the program as complete lunatics for even suggesting a 10 pound bookbag on it's own is abuse. People are prejudiced and "the boy who cried wolf" gets blamed on the group, sadly.
--- End quote ---
If ya read correctly, the implication's that this boy is being forced to carry a 10 pound "bag of books" all the time, to the extent that he is made "uncomfortable" because he's bad, and has caused a situation which is completely out of his control, until he breaks, or whatever these parents are looking for. Please stop misrelating what’s in the post again, and again. This is in the greater context of the institutionalized setting, and in the WWASP institutions which are famously abusive.
Educate yourself about the cumulative physical and psychological effects of enduring discomfort or pain deliberately induced by a captor. Was Kat Whithead’s friend being forced to carry around stones not abuse, then? I can't believe I am explaining this on fornits!
If you are worried about being critics “in general” being "flagged as lunatics" based on what individuals say, you might want to reconsider calling A.A. a cult every other sentence, or ranting about never getting govt involved in protecting people from torment--which many people find pretty friggin “loony.”
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Never called AA a cult. Called it "cult-like". Never said WWASP institutions weren't abusive of this program wasnt. Just said a 10 pound bookbag ON IT'S OWN was not abusive. I was very clear on this. reread my fucking earlier posts as I was very clear on this.
... idiot
FemanonFatal2.0:
--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" ---Currently we are working on creating a system to handle reports of abuse and putting together some material to grant advice to people who are trying to file complaints against an RTC...
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No. Cafety is chatting amongst themselves about what to do and politicians will humor them about it. Anybody can make an organization. Whether it does anything or not is relatively pointless. Tell me this: What has CAFETY actually accomplished? What of consequence have they actually done? Have they taken down even a single program?
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Look Psy, you have no idea what CAFETY has been doing because you have taken no interest in working with them. It makes no sense to start brow-beating our fellow organizations just because you may not agree with their strategy.
The fact of the matter is CAFETY is a new organization, they are still getting their shit together, and meanwhile any advocacy work is volunteered between work and school schedules... I've been working pretty closely with them in the last few months and I still stand in awe with their dedication. Most times reaching into their own pocket to help this cause along or just helping people in general... I know there's no way for you to know this, but I invite you not to assume that they are simply "chatting amongst themselves" when you don't even care to be part of the conversation.
BTW, as I mentioned, CAFETY is currently working on a strategy to handle reports of abuse. An email account is being set up and one of us will handle the correspondence, this I assume will be mailing out pamphlets and emails containing information, advice and instructions. I'm sure that there will also be a member of CAFETY who would be willing to grant advocacy for serious complaints but for things like this report, we would only be able to compile complaints, testimony and evidence before we would have a case to file an official complaint against the facility.
I'm sorry you have so little faith in the government, I can't say I have much myself, but I do think there are enough good people out there that eventually we will be heard and changes will be made. Regulation is definitely not the be all end all solution, we are all aware of that, but really that's just the first step to completely outlawing the troubled teen industry. I don't understand how you could be in support of complete abolishment yet oppose the steps to get there. Even if regulation completely fails, as long as a monitoring agency is set up that is the biggest step we could take toward making some changes. That way things like this report about this boy and the 10 lb box will no longer go ignored.
I have to be honest here, your a bit out of line, all doom and gloom never changed anything. We may have limitations but we have to fight that, fight for the human rights of institutionalized youth. That's what CAFETY is doing, and sorry to say it but that's more than you are doing, so try to give them a little bit of credit.
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