Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > World Wide Association of Specialty Programs and Schools (WWASPS)
Can someone please call the FBI, CPS, whomever?
FemanonFatal2.0:
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--- Quote ---To all the people implying that the above does not qualify as a description of abuse, please investigate the defintions of physical and emotional abuse, and torment.
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Listen I never said this didn't constitute abuse, in fact i believe I stated that this is only the tip of the ice burg of what other abuses are undoubtedly happening here. It's not that I don't care about this boy, believe me the only reason I am here on this forum in the first place is because I care about being a part of the solution. What I said was in order to for us to make an effective claim we will need to bring forth more evidence. Believe me I have considered the undercover thing myself, if my name weren't all over the internet opposing problems I would have taken the job they were hiring off craigslist to work at Oceanside.
Your getting all riled up at us because we mention there are significant roadblocks to completing your request, that just isn't helping the situation. You want us to help you will have to devote yourself to bringing us something we can report. OR if you need to see this done YOU have just as much power to call CPS as we do, so why is it all of a sudden we are to blame for inaction when you haven't bothered to make a call yourself.
I'm sure all of us would be happy to assist in an investigation if one is launched on behalf of this child, but beyond that we don't have any more authority to influence state agencies until legislation is passed to make it possible for us to do so. THAT is what CAFETY is doing to help this boy and all the other kids and families effected by the troubled teen industry... so be patient, in time things like this will be easier to report or be done away with all together.
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I am not getting "all riled up" about anything. I was called a "troll" several times, and was told, essentially, what is being done to this boy is a-ok. Hence, some of my responses.
In my experience, "arbitrary" person calling these bodies do not get the same response as an agency, for what that’s worth. But I understand you now, no one at any agency is willing to make any call.
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then maybe you are confused as to what Fornits is, we are not an agency, we are just people like you and everyone else. we have no power over the government or the FBI to make them take our concerns seriously, and that's why we work in specific ways, all we can do is compile evidence, as in testimonies, photos, videos and various resources and bring it to the attention of our law makers, because at this point CPS and the FBI don't take our claims serious, and certainly not the local police. As i mentioned before this would also be a matter or jurisdiction being as the program in question is located in mexico. If you as a concerned citizen would like to make a complaint against the parent who is knowledgeable about their son being mistreated and has no mind to intervene then I can assure you CAFETY would be happy to back you up by coordinating with the investigator to understand that this kind of method represents a widespread problem. As well I would be willing to answer any questions, and can corroborate that these methods were used in a psychologically abusive manner, but I can't put my name on this report as the initial complaint. I hope you understand that my reputation with these agencies has a great deal to do with how seriously I am taken when I report the serious abuses that I have found empirical evidence to support.
I'm sorry if that sounds as if I don't care, that is truly not the case, its simply that I cannot rescue each and every child that is being abused in a residential treatment facility one by one, I cannot make 5 million complaints against parents who have their kids in RTC's and I cannot get riled up about every report that comes my way... I am well aware of the abuse in RTC's and it breaks my heart I can't save them all right now, but I think I am acting on in the most efficient and effective way by helping to address the root of the problem and facilitate change, if not complete abolishment of the Troubled Teen Industry.
Anonymous:
Why don't you email someone at CAFETY directly instead of speculating here? I'm sure they'd be more than supportive and someone would be willing to make the call if you feel uncomfortable doing so. Calling on investigators can be intimidating.
Try any of these people who have their emails listed:
http://cafety.org/board-of-advisors
http://cafety.org/board
I'm sure someone will help you.
psy:
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" ---Currently we are working on creating a system to handle reports of abuse and putting together some material to grant advice to people who are trying to file complaints against an RTC...
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No. Cafety is chatting amongst themselves about what to do and politicians will humor them about it. Anybody can make an organization. Whether it does anything or not is relatively pointless. Tell me this: What has CAFETY actually accomplished? What of consequence have they actually done? Have they taken down even a single program?
ISAC (the Earnshaws and volunteers) have done that. Dedicated individuals at fornits like Deborah have done that merely by digging up information and getting it into the public sphere and into the hands of the right people. Maia has done a hell of a lot of damage. What has CAFETY done, other than politick and posture?
The point of what I'm getting at is: don't rely on the government. Don't rely on organizations or groups. Be an individual. Work with others, sure, but don't belong to them and don't expect them to belong to you. You say you admire anonymous. Isn't that "standalone complex" phenomenon what you are supposed to stand for? Teamwork does not always have to be withing a group. All it takes to kill a program is dedication and hard work. Expecting the government to step in is the worst kind of self deception based on a lack of faith in your own ability. Fantasy legislation such as allowing CAFETY members into RTCs to inspect will NEVER come to pass. Don't get me wrong. I favor complete abolition of all involutary treatment, humane or otherwise. I just think you're going about it in a very very naive manner. Protip: listen to people like Ginger, Shelby, Barbe, and others who have been in this for a long time and learn from them. Otherwise you'll just end up repeating their mistakes.
When I first came to fornits, I thought regulation was the key. Turns out, I was wrong. I was very, very, wrong. Mark my words. Even if you suceed in regulation, it will do more harm than good. Find another stratefy. Use the press, become the press, credential and licensing issues... Use what has worked and don't bother with what has failed. Look to how US based programs have been shut down in the past for that.
PS: I apologize in advance for being a bitch. Just in a bad mood is all... Still. I mean what I say.
psy:
--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---My first reaction when I read this was "hmm, calling CPS might be a good idea", then I looked for the parent's name and the youth's name. No info.
CAFETY has no special powers. Mostly anything we can do, you as a concerned citizen can do yourself, though it helps with complex cases to coordinate efforts and have relationships with professionals with certain skill sets.
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FUCKING AMEN!
psy:
--- Quote from: "blombrowski" ---Chances are neither CPS or DRC would take any action, but at least you can put this on their radar.
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Or they'll flag any critics of the program as complete lunatics for even suggesting a 10 pound bookbag on it's own is abuse. People are prejudiced and "the boy who cried wolf" gets blamed on the group, sadly.
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