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Anonymous:
Sad to hear that all of your arguments begin and end with fu.  I must have been misinformed that most legitimate law schools trained lawyers in more effective rhetorical techniques>>>my misunderstanding and apologies . . .i cannot argue in discourse as "advanced"  as yours. You must have refined your skills outside the group. And i will freely choose when and where I decide to give my opinion , not the Seed, you, nor anyone can take that away.

Anonymous:
i thought you would recognize the "seed" language in my speech.

chosen here - as a 14 year old kid never heard that kind of talk until i heard it from that place.

fuck
cunt
liar
whore
thief
criminal
prostitute

are all words used by the seed - aimed at my 13 and 16 year old sisters. forced to lie and say they did drugs. started over and stood before that hellish group and railed for hours.

the last person they called on was me.

all the waving hands that wanted a shot at a 13 and 16 year old girl fell and the "awe" of the crowd fell too silence.

i stood and said fuck you to them all.

my sister remembers that to this day. and has told me many times she was proud of me.

i remember the puddle of tears on the floor before both of those extremely frightened girls.

who showed up the next day with butchered haircuts, red faces from endless crying all night, and obviously no sleep. silent and in obvious shock.

if i had a gun -- with endless bullets, i would have murdered everyone on that place that day. barring NONE but my sisters.

that was the first time i ever used those words. first time i ever had those thoughts.

you don't like hearing my choice words here.

don't respond.

i see my sister susan finally let this stuff out - finally purging, and after 36 years its about time.

so fuck u 2.

Anonymous:
My only point is that you should no better by now to not hold your resentments against someone who had been through the program just like your sisters and my bet is has come to see things quite differently by now. If you choose not to understand that then there is nothing left to say .  You are obviously at free will to choose to see it differently as i reserve the right to my own perspective.

Anonymous:
yes, guess. i agree you have the right to your own views.

as i mine.

my over the top attitude the past couple of days is intentional.

and as you stated my sisters may feel different.

susan is my sister. did you read her postings?

she never discussed this ever for 36 years.

she has a 7th grade education, ran away from home, and never attended school again for fear they would find her.

she married, and divorced ex-chief of police for 2 so. fla. police departments.

now lives happily in coconut grove with a flourishing business.

i have been in contact over the years with many ex-victims.

NONE have ever completely healed.

how can they.

if you know anything about brain growth function, their brains were still developing at that age -- 9 - 18. and some even beyond.

that is why the supreme court finally stopped executing minors.

if you don't like my approach. fine.

i will be relentless until all this is finally resolved.

amazing how far an apology could go.

but clearly libby, old fart barker, underwood and the rest have no remorse.

and that is probably the biggest of their crimes.

if you haven't noticed. libby is still up to her old tricks.

eating free meals at somebody elses' expense. raising "funds" for a pat on the back from a community not aware of her criminal past.

and yes, it is a criminal past.

susan:
I do not think  my brother is relentless at all I think he is hitting it right on the hammer.I wish all the parents that were still living, would stand up listen to what their children went through, as it has taken so much, and i swear to all it really messed me up, i just didn't let it take my soul, i know because of that place i have always been afraid don't know like something was going to happen at any moment and i  just never knew when) , even though i put a wall up  making me look like i can do anything, its amazing that after doing that place over 2 times before splitting, that i still looked up to my friend Mida Garcia i met at the seed,( Mida also ran from that place  so many times, so many times before i even got there) not the staff not the idiots that ran it  none of them, just one girl that was also being punished, yet she was in on a court order, i was not, goes to show you how bad brain washing is, a 13 year girl had to hold all her thoughts in for so long to stay sane, FUCK ALL  who say do not use bad language that's all i heard for so long in that place. Little bit about Mida, they put me next to her to scare me, she was my soul keeper you idiots, she did not scare me one bit, she was a  wonderful soul who watched out over me, but at same time could not let others know she was being true.When i say true, rather then someone spitting in you face and cursing  and treating you like shit, she held my hand and squeezed it, and said when it gets so bad you just squeeze my hand till we both can no longer feel anything,yea that made me feel special all right, rather then like shit they put me through. She will never know what that met to me. In all way's she to this day is my  angel, she helped me to survive that place, because without her i really do not know what i would have ended up like.( and mida was a bad girl hummm, least you all thought she was) My old comers both started over, goes to show you that that place was not at all working, so who are all you kidding, as far as libby, she is arts right hand and shellys and she so knew what she was doing, all knew just as any criminal knew what they were doing, for some reason i feel like that guest is libby, libby i tried calling to ask questions to, not to be mean nor rage, just wanted to ask why, why did all those kids have to suffer, she hung up, now if you say she  really did not mean no harm, then why is she still harming by not talking to someone that was only 13 years old   back them. ( I am 49 now )you talk about her being so great look at the puppies eyes and what the hec does anyone need to use those things around a dogs nose, i am all for animals so do not even test me with that shit,that's another form of control is all that is. Libby if that guest is you complaining about language, i advise you to get the balls i had to grow at thirteen, because what you are still doing by not responding shows how Guilty you are and always will be, no matter what scam you choose to participate in.  I love the  brunch too, I may just well be at that brunch that day so be prepared to answer questions that day, not you not anyone will even know who i am till the moment when you all think its time to stand miss libby up, and give her another free check, blood money, that was donated funded or just given to you to help some kid out, and instead goes  to her life style , it is a crime to allow anyone to be kidnapped,( you allowed this) and to be forced to do things you certainly would not do if you had your free will, so by showing you do not except calls, and hiding from a  13 year old girl from the past that you  ruined and took so much from back in the 70's when i should have been in school, and with my friends, not court appointed druggies as you all were clearly and still are, i am so sure you art and shelly are on some medication, something i truthfully  do not believe in is drugs of any kind, not the ones the doctors get you messed up on and  not the ones you shot in your arms, you did what kind of drugs, and how many kids did you affect, how many did go back, or better yet started to learn and do drugs because of the crap you all put  them through???? As far as art, my mother would never have put us in there if she knew  he was a  drunk/ comedian, why because my dad  was a drunk and my mothers father was a drunk, so who you kidding  i do not see a drunk/ comedian in any way responsible enough to look over or teach any kid, not even one, he had no business near anyone's kids, neither did a drug user like yourself, ever hear of relapses, well you can not say you never had one, you are no different then the  rapest who said he did not know that the girl was 13, idiots all you are, its amazing you live and have the balls to even live in ft, lauderdale. Guess you will now feel like me, you can now sit and wonder and be afraid like i was, i live not far from you, you were asked to talk to me, i have a right to know why, why did you look into those crying tearful faces and laugh when someone was telling you the truth, that they never did drugs???? easy question i think, so tell world why, and if you don't then Guilty as i said in the beginning. Peace to all that had to go through that crap back then, i was a victim and i am going to see what rights i have to bring this to a courts attention, too many places are still involved with the same ways to only mentally harm someones soul. I am asking anyone at all to contact me and  say anything you wish about this situation, as i have not been able to really  talk to anyone about it, and when my brother who i am sure that told me about this sight knows i have covered up and went on in life, i can only say it has helped getting some of this off my mind, as it really is painful, i have a grandson, and i so will make sure he never steps foot like my daughter into a place of hell like that, i will teach him love honesty and to love self first in life, i do not need ever to have a drunk / comedian/ nor druggie to ever help out my family, I wish that all parents would step up and tell their kids  whether they knew that art barker was a criminal or not, because if they knew that their kids were involved in such torture then they too were a part of a piss ass operation to mooch off of inocent children, i say children because that's is what i was a child, how very sad, that anyone went through this at any age. Peace.

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