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Ursus:

--- Quote from: "BMonrow" ---What are you trying to do?  Without a reference base of some sort there is no way to tell if kids are more prone to suicide if they went to a program or not.  Most believe the rate (post program) is lower.
I have a friend who thinks that eating at McDonalds causes and increase in suicide tendencies and I guess by those statistics he is right.  99% of all kids that commit suicide has eaten at McDonalds in the past 3 months.  Does this prove his point?
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99% of all kids that don't commit suicide have probably also eaten at McDonalds in the past 3 months, so your analogy does not hold water.



Kids who die not too long after program is a real sore point for you... isn't it.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "BMonrow" ---What are you trying to do?  Without a reference base of some sort there is no way to tell if kids are more prone to suicide if they went to a program or not.  Most believe the rate (post program) is lower.
I have a friend who thinks that eating at McDonalds causes and increase in suicide tendencies and I guess by those statistics he is right.  99% of all kids that commit suicide has eaten at McDonalds in the past 3 months.  Does this prove his point?
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99% of all kids that don't commit suicide have probably also eaten at McDonalds in the past 3 months, so your analogy does not hold water.



Kids who die not too long after program is a real sore point for you... isn't it.
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Abduction and imprisonment without trial. Torture of the sort used by totalitarian Chinese govt. to destroy and "reform" the brains of "thought criminals" through-out a large chunk of one's adolescence at the behest of one's own parents, with the tacit approval of the U.S. govt. How could a victim of these violations not commit suicide afterwards? That is the question.

TheWho:

--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "BMonrow" ---What are you trying to do?  Without a reference base of some sort there is no way to tell if kids are more prone to suicide if they went to a program or not.  Most believe the rate (post program) is lower.
I have a friend who thinks that eating at McDonalds causes and increase in suicide tendencies and I guess by those statistics he is right.  99% of all kids that commit suicide has eaten at McDonalds in the past 3 months.  Does this prove his point?
--- End quote ---

99% of all kids that don't commit suicide have probably also eaten at McDonalds in the past 3 months, so your analogy does not hold water.



Kids who die not too long after program is a real sore point for you... isn't it.
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It is, yes,if someone tries to attribute the deaths to a specific cause without any evidence.  Maybe the kid just found out his girlfriend was cheating, maybe the kid suffers from depression.  Maybe the kid would have taken his life earlier on if he/she didn’t enter a program.  Maybe the kid just ate at McDonalds.  Maybe the tire of his car blew out or he fell asleep.  Maybe he was texting at the time or pissed at a response and turned the wheel spiraling the car out of control……..

To try to pretend to know it is linked to a specific cause and add him to the list just weakens the validity of that list and is unfair to the kids who did take their lives due to the effects of being in a program.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---
--- Quote from: "BMonrow" ---What are you trying to do?  Without a reference base of some sort there is no way to tell if kids are more prone to suicide if they went to a program or not.  Most believe the rate (post program) is lower.
I have a friend who thinks that eating at McDonalds causes and increase in suicide tendencies and I guess by those statistics he is right.  99% of all kids that commit suicide has eaten at McDonalds in the past 3 months.  Does this prove his point?
--- End quote ---

99% of all kids that don't commit suicide have probably also eaten at McDonalds in the past 3 months, so your analogy does not hold water.



Kids who die not too long after program is a real sore point for you... isn't it.
--- End quote ---


It is, yes,if someone tries to attribute the deaths to a specific cause without any evidence.  Maybe the kid just found out his girlfriend was cheating, maybe the kid suffers from depression.  Maybe the kid would have taken his life earlier on if he/she didn’t enter a program.  Maybe the kid just ate at McDonalds.  Maybe the tire of his car blew out or he fell asleep.  Maybe he was texting at the time or pissed at a response and turned the wheel spiraling the car out of control……..

To try to pretend to know it is linked to a specific cause and add him to the list just weakens the validity of that list and is unfair to the kids who did take their lives due to the effects of being in a program.
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I ran away from Mount Bachelor Academy in April and successfully started my life upon return home. I have a job, I am getting off of probation next week (I would've been off if I stayed at MBA until next March, I'd rather be on probation than in that hell of a "school"), and I will have my GED in 2 weeks. I am not a loser or a druggie, I smoke the ganja occasionally and drink at parties sometimes. Still, I suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder from that fucking place. Some days, I grow so depressed about my life from the point of programs on that I can't do anything, I can't even smoke weed. A couple of days ago, I bordered upon suicide (I won't say exactly what) but my girlfriend stopped me. This is July, I left in April. This shit does affect you negatively even after you leave. And don't get me started on being there. While I was at MBA, I spent whole weeks at a time sometimes in a depressed vegetative state, not going to classes, lying around doing nothing, not talking to anybody, because I just wasn't able to. I didn't have it in me. A friend and I even considered taking each others lives at one point.


--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---Personally, I don't think Aaron's death was a complete "accident." The predisposing mindset can present with something along these lines: you feel depressed and completely frustrated, you cannot deal with things as they are for another moment. You do something that will either result in death or, by divine intervention, you will escape. It is a plea for a sign from one's "Higher Power." And this is, to my mind at least, a kind of thinking that is encouraged if not inculcated by most, if not all, of these programs.
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I agree with you Ursus. While I was at MBA, they try to impress upon your brain these crazy ideas of divine intervention and higher powers that simply do not exist. If they existed, we would not need programs. This kind of thinking is dangerous, especially for kids who, for the most part, are recovering addicts from hard drugs. They are in a delicate state of mind which must be treated with care, but the staff take advantage of it and bombard our senses with propagandist spew.  All in all, these types of programs are not only a useless waste of life, but they are actually dangerous to the people who attend them.

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