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TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Some thoughts .....First I think there should be a requirement that a child advocate needs to sign off on any placement. An advocate could be a school counsellor or childs therapist. Second there should be evidence that the family has exhausted all local options. Third the child should be evaluated by an independent party (hospital) prior to placement. Forth the parents need to choose a program which is suitable for their child. The forth one is tough because although there are plenty of good programs there are also bad ones and it is almost impossible for a parent who is new to this to tell the difference. Edcons basically work for the industry so they are a risk... so it is difficult to find the right placement unless the childs therapist or hospital gets involved in the recommendation process.
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True, that would severely cut down on some of the placements but wouldnt do anything to shut down the programs which are ineffective and abusive. That is still an issue.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Some thoughts .....First I think there should be a requirement that a child advocate needs to sign off on any placement. An advocate could be a school counsellor or childs therapist.
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your perfect world scenarios are sooo........cute. pity the world isnt perfect and what you say wont change anything.
school counselors do what is better for the whole school. havnt you ever heard of schools requiring parents to choose between putting the child on medication or changing schools? it happens in public schools as much as private schools.
child therapists often do only what their paycheck tells them. parents want kid out - they pay therapist to write this and that - kid gets sent to program. also therapists can be biased, and many of them have very limited experience with long term patients.
hospitals? hospitals are not benevolent institutions. they have budgets. havnt you ever heard of doctors refusing treatment to drug addicts purely on a moral basis? or how about homeless dumping? the hospital will say what is most convenient for the hospital, not the child. and in most cases, making the kid not the hospital's or municipalities' problem is more convenient. that equals an automatic goahead for program placement.
RobertBruce:
Many programs, HLA included pretend to do this already. It adds nothing. HLA went so far as to claim any signature will do. When I was incarcerated my own doctor refused to sign off on the form. He did however type up a note which he signed stating that he felt placement for me in such a facility was reactionary, extreme and ill advised. He made mention of there being zero evidence of the effectiveness of the program and that he refused to recommend my placement. HLA intake staff received the note and later claimed, "Well he signed his letter, so that meets our criteria."
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---Some thoughts .....First I think there should be a requirement that a child advocate needs to sign off on any placement. An advocate could be a school counsellor or childs therapist.
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your perfect world scenarios are sooo........cute. pity the world isnt perfect and what you say wont change anything.
school counselors do what is better for the whole school. havnt you ever heard of schools requiring parents to choose between putting the child on medication or changing schools? it happens in public schools as much as private schools.
child therapists often do only what their paycheck tells them. parents want kid out - they pay therapist to write this and that - kid gets sent to program. also therapists can be biased, and many of them have very limited experience with long term patients.
hospitals? hospitals are not benevolent institutions. they have budgets. havnt you ever heard of doctors refusing treatment to drug addicts purely on a moral basis? or how about homeless dumping? the hospital will say what is most convenient for the hospital, not the child. and in most cases, making the kid not the hospital's or municipalities' problem is more convenient. that equals an automatic goahead for program placement.
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I never said it was perfect but the added checks and balances would help to screen out the kids who didn’t need to be there. Sure there will be therapists and parents who get by the security checks but its going to happen anyway. All I am saying is make it as important as any other procedure. Like today you cant just walk into a hospital and say I want my kid to have a hernia operation this morning. You need to see the kids primary physician who then refers him to a hernia specialist who then recommends treatment. There are many types of procedures for hernia operations and some are non evasive so this would dramatically cut down on unnecessary placements (operations). Maybe the hernia isnt severe enough yet to warrant surgery... etc.
Anonymous:
well you are lucky.
i've had a therapist who claimed to be an admirer of len buccelato.
i've had doctors tell me the wont see me because i smoke cigarettes.
i've had my school tell my mother: "put him on some ritalin, or we will expel him."
i've had one ignorant doctor even tell me (this was outside of HLA, in a liberal area of a liberal northeast state, and i'm really not kidding): "smoking pot will kill you one day. here, have some lexapro and xanax, take this instead of smoking marijuana and it will help you. in the meantime, check into a rehab or go to meetings, or you will be deadinsaneorinjail one day". he even called my mom after looking her number up through the insurance company and asked her if she knew i smoked pot, and that i should be in rehab for it. Im 25 and smoke roughly once a week to deal with anxiety.
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