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TheWho:
--- Quote from: "along comes mary" ---But a compassionate program model wouldn't be one that referred bounty hunter 'escorts' to the family of the clueless soon-to-be-intake...
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If there is a chance that the child would not go willingly or decide to run off then how else would the parents bring the child to the program? Escorts serve a purpose. Many schools do not utilize them or except children who will not come on their own accord but I can see their need for some families.
--- Quote ---It wouldn't keep children from communicating with their parents...
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Most programs that I am aware allow the kids to speak to their parents. Are they allowed to walk around 24/7 with a cell phone? no
--- Quote ---It wouldn't condone violent methods of keeping order...
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No a compassionate school would not tolerate violence.
--- Quote ---A truly compassionate program model would see that each client is an individual, and wouldn't fight tooth and nail to keep every child there, well-placed or not, as long as possible...
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I agree. The program length should be well defined with goals for the child to reach so that they can graduate.
--- Quote ---...and such a program would not be able to compete with the rest.
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Competition is what this country is built on. You think doctors are non competitive? The Phd types are the most competitive people in our society.
--- Quote ---I'm sure these places considered compassion as a tool for best-service provision.... until a compassionate program model was recognized as a poor business model.
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I understand you may see it this way from the perspective of someone who attended. I am sure the kid who is sent to his room for the night or grounded for a week feels his parents dont understand them and have no compassion for their needs at all.
--- Quote ---Did this industry sprout from compassionate philosophy?...
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I believe we all know that it did
--- Quote ---Was empowering at risk youth from wealthy families in isolated settings something that well-meaning therapists decided would fill that population's need for guidance?
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Yes
--- Quote ---Or was hiding troublesome children for a small fortune an economic niche that some clever and greedy businessmen with psych backgrounds carved out and exploited?
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No, it wasnt
--- Quote ---I am curious... do you think this industry would exist at all if compassionate models were the norm?
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Compassion for these children is what inspires the various models. It is what the industry exists for. Just because they make money doesn’t mean they are evil. Do your compassionate friends work for free?
Troll Control:
^^Giant, steaming pile of horse shit^^ Someone badly needs a history lesson on forced "treatment" in private institutions.
HLA was built by CEDU people. Remember CEDU? The place that was shut down for systematic child abuse? That's where HLA got its model. Poor showing, Whootie. Showing again you have no grip on the facts, don't understand psychology or children's needs. No wonder your kids are so messed up (the live ones).
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---^^Giant, steaming pile of horse shit^^ Someone badly needs a history lesson on forced "treatment" in private institutions.
HLA was built by CEDU people. Remember CEDU? The place that was shut down for systematic child abuse? That's where HLA got its model. Poor showing, Whootie. Showing again you have no grip on the facts, don't understand psychology or children's needs. No wonder your kids are so messed up (the live ones).
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Oh, come on. yeah, yeah and you can trace that back to the north koreans torure methods and the Nazis'... we have all heard that before. Thats a bunch of crap. If you trace anything back you can show it to be abusive.... we use to hang a guy from the nearest tree for stealing a horse a 100 years ago, now we put him in therapy and send him to college for free. Your ancesors killed and murdered kids, yet you are still free to walk around. Everything/everybody evolves, everything has a past. But it is not necessarily a reflection on present or future events.
RobertBruce:
What's evolved John? The more you speak the more you highlight your own ignorance.
The first headmaster at HLA was your old child abusing friend and, murderer, Rudy Bentz. Rudy coming from having worked in CEDU gulags for years. He was brought in to set up the exact same model and program that has now been deemed abusive.
So tell us, what about the theraputic model, or general policies have they of their own accord changed?
RobertBruce:
--- Quote ---If there is a chance that the child would not go willingly or decide to run off then how else would the parents bring the child to the program? Escorts serve a purpose. Many schools do not utilize them or except children who will not come on their own accord but I can see their need for some families.
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So you advocate children being snatched out of their bed in the middle of the night, being detained without cause, being held against their will, being transported across state lines, all without due process. Interesting.
--- Quote ---Most programs that I am aware allow the kids to speak to their parents. Are they allowed to walk around 24/7 with a cell phone? no
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Trying to glaze over the facts again John? Is there a difference between monitered, censored communication that can be cut off at any time, and free lines of communication? Should the threat of cutting off communication ever be used as a punishment? Should a child ever be denied access to a phone when they've been abused? Shouldnt they have a right to call someone to report what's happened? Let me give you Buchi's answers to each of those questions.
1. Yes.
2. Yes.
3. Yes.
4. Hell no, I dont want those little bastards telling on me. Send the little fucker out in the woods for a month.
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