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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2009, 03:19:13 PM »
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The spanking was way over the line, I think.  Legally, it's probably abuse.  Whether you want to pursue it is another option (a foster home would probably suck bad).

Next time, use the internet.  Why steal magazines when you can get all the porn you want online for free!

As long as it is not done in public or to humiliate, spanking is never considered going "over the line" and no it is not abuse.  Jesus christ why is everything described as abuse here, the word is so  watered down it really has no meaning anymore.  Maybe we should switch to the word "torture" for more of a shock effect.

The purpose of the troll ^^ Showing how fornitsmembers call everything abuse and torture! :feedtrolls:  :beat:
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2009, 03:47:19 PM »
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The spanking was way over the line, I think.  Legally, it's probably abuse.  Whether you want to pursue it is another option (a foster home would probably suck bad).

Next time, use the internet.  Why steal magazines when you can get all the porn you want online for free!

As long as it is not done in public or to humiliate, spanking is never considered going "over the line" and no it is not abuse.  Jesus christ why is everything described as abuse here, the word is so  watered down it really has no meaning anymore.  Maybe we should switch to the word "torture" for more of a shock effect.

The purpose of the troll ^^ Showing how fornitsmembers call everything abuse and torture! :feedtrolls:  :beat:

I think the OP was a troll, but just in case he is not I would like to say that the spanking is not abusive and wasnt intented to humiliate you.  If you got spanked for every mistake that would be one thing, but maybe your mom has a thing about porn.  Keep it under your mattress like everyone else and forget about it.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2009, 04:23:18 PM »
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The spanking was way over the line, I think.  Legally, it's probably abuse.  Whether you want to pursue it is another option (a foster home would probably suck bad).

Next time, use the internet.  Why steal magazines when you can get all the porn you want online for free!

As long as it is not done in public or to humiliate, spanking is never considered going "over the line" and no it is not abuse.  Jesus christ why is everything described as abuse here, the word is so  watered down it really has no meaning anymore.  Maybe we should switch to the word "torture" for more of a shock effect.

The purpose of the troll ^^ "Showing" how fornitsmembers call everything abuse and torture! :feedtrolls:  :beat:

I think the OP was a troll, but just in case he is not I would like to say that the spanking is not abusive and wasnt intented to humiliate you.  If you got spanked for every mistake that would be one thing, but maybe your mom has a thing about porn.  Keep it under your mattress like everyone else and forget about it.

le same troll. ^^^Let the thread die.
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http://www.nospank.net/sexdngr.htm
http://www.volunteertv.com/home/headlines/15157311.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1522505/posts
http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2008 ... ild-abuse/
http://www.marshallnews.com/story/1524171.html
http://www.parentdish.com/2007/03/08/mo ... -year-old/
in all probability, if this weren't imaginary, the severity and duration of the beating coupled that the forced nudity this would be considered an act of abuse.
If it were done in a gulag it would be considered therapy.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2009, 04:37:35 PM »
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in all probability, if this weren't imaginary, the severity and duration of the beating coupled that the forced nudity this would be considered an act of abuse.
If it were done in a gulag it would be considered therapy.

I sort of go along with this.  It is up to individual interpretation or a result of which group you follow or subscribe to.  Some would call it therapy others abuse and still others would call it discipline.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2009, 04:58:19 PM »
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in all probability, if this weren't imaginary, the severity and duration of the beating coupled that the forced nudity this would be considered an act of abuse.
If it were done in a gulag it would be considered therapy.

I sort of go along with this.  It is up to individual interpretation or a result of which group you follow or subscribe to.  Some would call it therapy others abuse and still others would call it discipline.

No. Luckily, there are clinical standards specifying what qualifies as therapy.

What a laymen's opinion on what is “therapeutic” has no bearing on that.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2009, 05:04:20 PM »
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in all probability, if this weren't imaginary, the severity and duration of the beating coupled that the forced nudity this would be considered an act of abuse.
If it were done in a gulag it would be considered therapy.

I sort of go along with this.  It is up to individual interpretation or a result of which group you follow or subscribe to.  Some would call it therapy others abuse and still others would call it discipline.

No. Luckily, there are clinical standards specifying what qualifies as therapy.

What a laymen's opinion on what is “therapeutic” has no bearing on that.

I disagree,  the individual or family has the final say on whether they feel it is therapuetic, abuse or discipline.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2009, 06:28:36 PM »
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in all probability, if this weren't imaginary, the severity and duration of the beating coupled that the forced nudity this would be considered an act of abuse.
If it were done in a gulag it would be considered therapy.

I sort of go along with this.  It is up to individual interpretation or a result of which group you follow or subscribe to.  Some would call it therapy others abuse and still others would call it discipline.

No. Luckily, there are clinical standards specifying what qualifies as therapy.

What a laymen's opinion on what is “therapeutic” has no bearing on that.

I disagree,  the individual or family has the final say on whether they feel it is therapuetic, abuse or discipline.

Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but no "family" has the "final say" about what contitutes medical care.

No "family" has "final say" over what constitutes physical abuse, either. The final say comes from juries of their peers. The secondary say comes from D.A.s.  Forcing a teenager to strip naked so you beat her/him with various objects for 30 minutes(over your lap for 15, ew) would fall under the mantle of an abusive act, legally speaking, whatever your "opinion" on it. The forced nudity, duration of the beating, the mature age of your fictional youth, the use of objects situate the act outside of the grey area of "acceptable" spanking

Because this imaginary 13 year old you have created is meant to  justify nude beatings in program, let's be clear:
"The American Psychological Association believes that the use of physical punishment in institutions that care for children is unlikely to improve problem behavior and poses the risk of significant negative side-effects including poor self-esteem, hostility, and a greater tendency to use physical aggression.[28]"
So there ya go. Not "treatment."

http://www.rickross.com/reference/house/house23.html


http://www.ylc.org/articleDetail.php?id=76&type=article

Interesting exerpt from an article for you, who. Your claim that "parents" decide what is abuse, let alone medical treatment is a pathology that is singled as one of the reasons children are abused.
http://www.ylc.org/articleDetail.php?id=76&type=article
"Hutchinson (the D.A.)said residents are reluctant to call authorities in such cases because of a strong belief that it's wrong to interfere in the way other parents treat their children. They "feel that children, no matter what, are really the province of the mother and everything they do is their right and their business," he said. "Someone hears a child screaming, they're not going to say anything because their thinking is that's their child, that's their business.""
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2009, 07:09:12 PM »
Unfortunately all your links do not relate to the discussion.  The “family” has the right to define how to raise their own children in their own home. Fringe groups like no spank and the such try to force their morality on others and reach into peoples homes in an attempt to force their beliefs on others but it doesn’t work in the US, North Korea maybe.  We reserve the right to raise our kids the way we deem right.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2009, 07:28:17 PM »
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Unfortunately all your links do not relate to the discussion.  The “family” has the right to define how to raise their own children in their own home. Fringe groups like no spank and the such try to force their morality on others and reach into peoples homes in an attempt to force their beliefs on others but it doesn’t work in the US, North Korea maybe.  We reserve the right to raise our kids the way we deem right.

You cant abuse you children or torture them because child abuse is illegal, but you can discipline them anyway you choose.  you can yell at them, spank them, time out.... its all the parents call.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2009, 07:33:01 PM »
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Unfortunately all your links do not relate to the discussion.  The “family” has the right to define how to raise their own children in their own home. Fringe groups like no spank and the such try to force their morality on others and reach into peoples homes in an attempt to force their beliefs on others but it doesn’t work in the US, North Korea maybe.  We reserve the right to raise our kids the way we deem right.
What if I should deem it "right" to lock my kids in a closet if they do something wrong, feeding them through the door?  Is that my "right" to treat another human being that way because I somehow own him/her by right of birth?

There are other, humane, ways to dicipline a child (such as withholding allowance, tv, etc).
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2009, 07:52:24 PM »
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Unfortunately all your links do not relate to the discussion.  The “family” has the right to define how to raise their own children in their own home. Fringe groups like no spank and the such try to force their morality on others and reach into peoples homes in an attempt to force their beliefs on others but it doesn’t work in the US, North Korea maybe.  We reserve the right to raise our kids the way we deem right.
What if I should deem it "right" to lock my kids in a closet if they do something wrong, feeding them through the door?  Is that my "right" to treat another human being that way because I somehow own him/her by right of birth?

There are other, humane, ways to dicipline a child (such as withholding allowance, tv, etc).


Actually I believe it is legal to do this.  If the child kept running into traffic and there was no lock for the front door then you would have no option other than lock them in the closet until the situation could be remedied.  

Some kids do not respond to allowance withholding or loss of TV.  They may dig their heals in.  Many shrinks encourage parents to continue withholding comforts from children until their behavior improves.  A childs room can be a haven during time out periods and therefore can be stripped of everything (one by one) including the bed if need be until compliance is achieved. Sometimes kids respond quickly other times not at all.  Some parents resort to spanking as a first option and others reserve it for extreme times.

None of it is abusive if handled with compassion and closely monitored to keep the child safe.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2009, 08:18:33 PM »
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Unfortunately all your links do not relate to the discussion.  The “family” has the right to define how to raise their own children in their own home. Fringe groups like no spank and the such try to force their morality on others and reach into peoples homes in an attempt to force their beliefs on others but it doesn’t work in the US, North Korea maybe.  We reserve the right to raise our kids the way we deem right.
What if I should deem it "right" to lock my kids in a closet if they do something wrong, feeding them through the door?  Is that my "right" to treat another human being that way because I somehow own him/her by right of birth?

There are other, humane, ways to dicipline a child (such as withholding allowance, tv, etc).


Actually I believe it is legal to do this.  .
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Well, you believe wrong
More parents go to prison for whipping their children (and minus the forced nudity!—courts don’t take well to forcing nudity on teenagers):

http://www.parentsbehavingbadly.com/200 ... enage-son/

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/su ... 472999_ITM

http://www.corpun.com/usd00103.htm

http://blog.al.com/breaking/2009/03/ath ... child.html

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20 ... y_whipped_

http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/ind ... =1&id=4142

http://www.whnt.com/news/whnt-christy-r ... 6640.story

http://www.eagletribune.com/archivesear ... 04522.html
this one I think isn’t abuse, actually:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manc ... 584446.stm

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:oWU ... clnk&gl=us

http://www.bishop-accountability.org/ne ... Pastor.htm

http://www.sanduskyregister.com/article ... 898034.txt

http://www.examiner.com/a-1074838~Fathe ... _cord.html
For whipping his kid with a hose , punching him and inflicting mental abuse by being “too controlling,” this guy went to prison for life :http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080605/A_NEWS02/80605034

This guy went to prison for doing in real life what you describe in your fictional story,(whipping for shoplifting) minus the nude BDSM component:
http://www.knoxnews.com/news/2009/Mar/2 ... shing-son/

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-93974693.html


I actually don’t consider the abuse described in those links a big deal, whatsoever. It's really nothing compared to what goes on in  programs like Academy at Swift River,  CEDU,  Carlbrook or Hidden Lake Academy.
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2009, 08:20:39 PM »
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Unfortunately all your links do not relate to the discussion.  The “family” has the right to define how to raise their own children in their own home. Fringe groups like no spank and the such try to force their morality on others and reach into peoples homes in an attempt to force their beliefs on others but it doesn’t work in the US, North Korea maybe.  We reserve the right to raise our kids the way we deem right.

Fortunately my links realte to the discussion perfectly

the links totally relate to the discussion link # 1:
“The outspoken Rev and four followers were convicted of cruelty to children for whippings at his church. “
“”During the trial, Allen acknowledged parents brought children to the plain-brick church for punishment.””
…. Six more House of Prayer members, including the parents of a boy who was whipped, still face trial,”

Again, i don't consider this sort of abuse too bad, its certainly not in the league of the torture inside Carlbrook or CEDU or Academy at Swift River
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2009, 08:31:34 PM »
So sticking to "just spanking" there are no laws which prohibit parents from disciplining their own children this way.  If you would like to have people with the "No spank" mentality come into your home and try to tell you how to raise your children, be my guest.  You will be one step closer to living in North Korea.  Then we will have "No Smoke" for not smoking in the house.  Then "No Yell"  for no yelling in the house.  Then the "No Oral" group for those who oppose oral sex, finally the "No Music" group for those who oppose music in the households after 9:00 pm.

Maybe you could convince the "nospank" people to push to have cameras placed inside everyones home to enforce their beliefs.  Sounds like the Taliban doesnt it?
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Re: Is my mom's punishment ok?
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2009, 08:47:48 PM »
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So sticking to "just spanking" there are no laws which prohibit parents from disciplining their own children this way.  If you would like to have people with the "No spank" mentality come into your home and try to tell you how to raise your children, be my guest.  You will be one step closer to living in North Korea.  Then we will have "No Smoke" for not smoking in the house.  Then "No Yell"  for no yelling in the house.  Then the "No Oral" group for those who oppose oral sex, finally the "No Music" group for those who oppose music in the households after 9:00 pm.

Maybe you could convince the "nospank" people to push to have cameras placed inside everyones home to enforce their beliefs.  Sounds like the Taliban doesnt it?

What are you talking about? This thread is about whether its abuse to strip a 13 year old naked and whip him with a brush or belt for half an hour, or if whipping is abuse.
Whether any form of spanking is abuse is another story. You are a strange troll, who. As far as I can see, you have no goal in your writing except to confuse the casual reader.

And the "no music" crazies were guards at  CEDU and Carlbrook, not Nospank
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