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What Happened?

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Anonymous:

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--- Quote from: "Guest" ---No, he was in horrible standing at hyde. his parents pulled him out halfway through his senior year due to the way the school and his peers treated him. he only got a transcript from them after a little legal wrangling. he finished the second half of his senior high school year at the same private day school he started off in (in canada), and got glowing recommendation letters from his teachers there.
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Lols. Ya know, I've heard many a story of that ilk, over decades of kids having gone there, as far as getting transcripts from Hyde is concerned. What exactly do they expect to accomplish through that? What is their point? "Conform to Hyde, or we'll make you pay for your mistake!?"


--- Quote from: "Guest" ---just because leslie has a website doesnt mean she's doing well. a website is a marketing tool, not a testament of success.
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You're absolutely right. I was thinking of the perspective of a desperate parent. Btw, just how involved is she with STICC?
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HLA did[/still does?] the same thing with transcripts. the purpose has nothing to do with the students. it has to do with finances and reputation. 1. if there is a large amount of kids who leave hyde, either mid-semester or at the end of semesters before actually graduating, word gets around and it looks really bad for them. 2. the longer they keep the kids, the more money they get. period. they dont give a shit about the students as far as transcripts are concerned, they are not doing it out of spite or idealism. just money.

I'm convinced the whole peer-shaming/peer-approval system at hyde is also functions purely an enrollment booster, as it has no therapeutic value whatsoever, that was established in the late 80's early 90's when programs like Kids and straight (or was it synanon?) got shut down. For the most part, it works for them. it backfires when they enroll kids with a strong will and character and high intelligence. those kids consist of a very small percentage of total enrollments so they are willing to take those losses, after putting up a weak fight to test the parent's tenacity.


@ DJ: EXACTLY MY POINT. DITTO.

Anonymous:

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--- Quote from: "guest209409834" ---reputable educational consultants
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What?

Can I find them next to the square circles among the Venusian ice fields?
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they exist. Usually, they stay away from TBSs/RTCs and other similar institutions unless they feel like it is absolutely necessary to recommend a kid there - for example if the kid is having VERY serious issues with hard drugs. Hidden lake would have been the absolute last resort in these cases after all other options were exhausted (at the time when HLA was seen as the shining star of the TBS world). five years ago Leslie was the most reputable consultant out there. due to her tendency to recommend to therapeutic schools she is no longer considered reputable. she's one with the crowd now.

the "reputable" ed consultants i was talking about generally deal with normal kids / families who need a little guidance choosing and getting into private schools (not just boarding schools).
for example, in the more affluent neighborhoods in new york city the demand for private school education has outstripped the supply (consider the fact that the NYC public school system is among the worst in the country). there are 3-4 year waiting lists, and horrendous competition between parents. i've heard of parents paying other parents enormous sums of money (up to millions) to NOT send their kids to a particular school so that their kids could take their place. when it comes to the top city schools, the competition is even worse. you really have to know people to pull strings if you want any chance whatsoever of getting your kids into private school.
and i'm not just talking about high school. this applies to daycare and up! thats what the "reputable educational consultants" are for.

Lacey:

--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---@ Lacey...

I think, and others may agree or disagree, that we (meaning people intimately familiar with HLA) did all we could to provoke the collapse of this horrid institution.  Personally, I told my story, told the stories of many others, recruited insiders to post here, cultivated contacts inside HLA (and succeeded in having reems of documents smuggled out by personnel which became much of the legal basis for the class action lawsuit), and, generally, dropped the f*cking hammer on HLA politically.  

Personally, I don't post much anymore because what I have already posted is exhaustive of my knowledge.  Whatever happens now is beyond the locus of my control.

That being said, I am incredibly proud of everyone's efforts here.  Even if there isn't much left to contribute, the work has been done and the results are archived for the present and future.  If just one parent decided not to send just one kid to that abusive shit-pit, then I feel one hundred percent gratified and satisfied with my own effort.  I am comfortable in estimating that many children were spared this depravity due to the hard work of people here at Fornits.

As far as The Who is concerned, he is just a giant phony.  If, by some weird properties of the universe, he actually was some sort of venture capitalist, he's likely lost his shirt and been knocked down a few pegs more.  This man is truly a bottom feeder, whatever his lot in life.

DJ
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Nice to see you again, DJ. I was unaware of much of what has changed/happened in the last year, and your posts have cleared some of this up. I have always appreciated all the hard work people like you and Deb did. I only wish I could have been more involved in HLA's subsequent downfall. Maybe everything that happened would have made me feel a bit more vindicated : ).

But as you pointed out, if less children are being submitted to the hellish environment that is HLA, then that's good enough for me. I think we all would have loved to see it burn to the groud (oh wait, part of it did...) and shut for good, but I think you all did a wonderful job. You brought so many important things to light and risked much at personal expense. So I'm sorry I sounded a bit ingrateful, I just really wasn't aware of some of the things that had transpired.

And if HLA starts to step out of line again, I'm sure it will come out, and I'll get to see all of you in action again. It truely was a sight :).

Thanks to all of you.

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And on a side note, I didn't know Yosef was involved in all this... I graduated at the same time as PG 56. Id be interested to hear some of what happened. Anyone have a way of contacting him? He'd remember me.

Ursus:

--- Quote from: "guestie" ---HLA did[/still does?] the same thing with transcripts. the purpose has nothing to do with the students. it has to do with finances and reputation. 1. if there is a large amount of kids who leave hyde, either mid-semester or at the end of semesters before actually graduating, word gets around and it looks really bad for them. 2. the longer they keep the kids, the more money they get. period. they dont give a shit about the students as far as transcripts are concerned, they are not doing it out of spite or idealism. just money.
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Not sure what money has to do with it when you are talking about kids who need their transcripts to continue their education elsewhere, and in at least some of those cases, for application to college. There is no "rational" reason other than spite. One of those kids had already been gone from Hyde for a few years. They still wouldn't send it.


--- Quote from: "guestie" ---I'm convinced the whole peer-shaming/peer-approval system at hyde is also functions purely an enrollment booster, as it has no therapeutic value whatsoever, that was established in the late 80's early 90's when programs like Kids and straight (or was it synanon?) got shut down. For the most part, it works for them. it backfires when they enroll kids with a strong will and character and high intelligence. those kids consist of a very small percentage of total enrollments so they are willing to take those losses, after putting up a weak fight to test the parent's tenacity.
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The whole "peer-shaming/peer-approval system" dates back to early experiments using therapeutic communities in the U.S. penal system post-WWII (late 1940s). Google Lloyd McCorkle. He called it Guided Group Interaction. He later did experiments in a New Jersey reformatory in the 1950s. This was just before Synanon (1958). Hyde School was started in 1966 (Joe Gauld had tried something of that ilk at Berwick Academy in the early 1960s, but apparently there was some bad blood and disagreements).

Guided Group Interaction later became Positive Peer Culture after Harry Vorrath introduced a few changes in 1975, principle among them being the addition of "positive role models" as "mentors" (aka enforcers, narcs) in the shaming/approval gauntlet that kids were subjected to. Back then, it was considered to be of "therapeutic value." In addition to being a prison warden, McCorkle was also a psychologist.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Lacey" ---And on a side note, I didn't know Yosef was involved in all this... I graduated at the same time as PG 56. Id be interested to hear some of what happened. Anyone have a way of contacting him? He'd remember me.
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try facebook. he's on there from time to time.

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