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Offline Che Gookin

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Re: If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?
« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2009, 08:34:54 PM »
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A little harsh I would say. They are boarding schools and programs and for the first time in many of these kids lives they are held accountable for their actions and it seems abusive to them because this is a first for them. The schools have to make up for and turn around 15 or more years of a lax life in a very short time, so there isn’t much time for laying around and empowering laziness. The environment is extremely structured and when you come from an extremely “unstructured” home, cleaning their room and common hallways, helping in the kitchen, doing homework, writing in their journal, attending meetings on time, dressing appropriately, brushing their teeth, being respectful to others, writing letters home, getting up early, going to school every day etc. will be considered abusive.
Many would not want to face their abusers because they know they needed the kick in the butt that came to them and they are better people for it.. bitter because they were separated from their family? Maybe.. but whose fault was that? Why didn’t family life work out for them? It wasn’t the programs fault. Much of the anger is do to bad choices that were made early on and local options to correct them were unsuccessful. Many of the kids had plenty of warning and chances before a program became an option. Maybe the parents shoulder some of the blame but the vast majority of it lies with the kids refusal to work within the families rules and structure.
When reading here on fornits the readers need to understand that many of these kids never had structure in their lives so their definition of abuse is distorted a bit. If there really were hundreds of thousands of kids abused by this system no one would need a study to determine there was a problem. The psychiatric community would be overwhelmed and the cause would be easily determined and they would be obligated to contact the authorities themselves. This has clearly not happened. This is a great forum for people to get together but I would not get too hung up on the claims of torture, kidnapping, shackling, rape, isolation and abuse that many claim to occur in the local Gulags. If any of this actually happened, people magazine would pay them a fortune for their story and I am sure there are a few people who could use a few hundred grand here on fornits.



Quick guide to making "structure" abusive so pay attention:

1) You use the infamous repeat system. Allow me to elaborate:

"Oh I'm sorry Jonny but your bed isn't up to spec. Do it again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and Oh I'm sorry jonny but I can't believe YOU snapped over making your bed and I had to restrain you. Silly boy."

2) Idiotically high expectations:

"I'm sorry boys but your cabin has a spot of dust on the top shelf of your book case. You are all going to have to face the consequences now."

3) Emotional Manipulation:

"Don't you know that while you are snapping because I'm spending all day provoking you with my psychotically high expectations your poor mom and dad are at home and they miss you? Obviously you don't love your parents. You should tell them to adopt a Vietnamese child so they don't get lonely. Oh dear me you snapped again, mind your head doesn't hit that log on the way dooowwwwwwwwwnnnn."

4) Vague Treatment plans:

Resident Tommy Twiddles will learn to deal and control his ADHD.

wtf? I'm fairly sure if Tommy knew how to accomplish this he'd probably have done it on his own a while ago.

5) Physical Manipulation/Emotional Manipulation/Idiotically High Expectations

"Oh dear me boys.. you don't appreciate your cabin? I guess we'll be sleeping in tents for the next week. Anyone who can't meet the group's new standards will cause the entire to have to repeat the entire day! Oh dear me.. Tommy are you going to snap? Remember Tommy your mommy loves you, how is that Vietnamese orphan they are going to adopt doing while you are here hating them in the program? Oh dear.. mind your head on the way down, as you either have the log or the rock."

The list goes on and on and on..

Your little structured utopia of pseudo horse shit is nothing more than a snake nest of abuse or potential abuse. Either it has happened or it will happened. Parents who are slack around the house need to man the fuck up and take control of their own damn lives and homes. Sending their kids to a program because they are to knackered at the end of the day or to damn busy with their social schedule doesn't cut it. If you are man or woman enough to make a baby or shit one out you damn well better be man or woman enough to be the child's proper parenting.

New slogan...

Proper parenting prevents piss poor programs

back on boycott.. peace.
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Re: If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?
« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2009, 09:54:45 PM »
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I always took Femanon as the "Life time movie channel" type.  I can see she heads right to the back of the video store upon entering. Kinda cool

Lifetime movie channel? I really didnt know that was a type... but I'm sorry my excellent way with words has lead you to that conclusion... I am probably one of the most foul minded individuals you might be able to find.

In case you ever doubted me
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Re: If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?
« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2009, 11:42:40 PM »
Hey Che Gookin or whomever you are. Your way out of line. I lived it! I am the post you commented on and hey I came from a very structered family so making my bed was not the issue! The abuse was. Sadly if my family new then what I was going thru they would have mutilated Art. I got caught smoking pot and my parents freaked. Beginning of sad story I ended up at the Seed on a "friend" of the family's reccomendation. What happened after was not scolding it was pure abuse. I never reported it because I was to afraid. Yeah when your a kid from a good home and your in the middle of hell you freak! I buried this stuff for years until someone shared this website and finally I can "vent" and express my anger and what I endured. No stories just the truth. Where the hell were you when all this was going on. Looking for shell on the weekly beach trip? So Art could gaggle at us in swim suits then take us to porn shops in Hollywood FL. it happened! Wake up why the hell do you think so  many people are writing? By the way the Doc who did the surgery told me that it was routine until AFTER. I was a naive kid who abused, pure and simple. Deal with it and get off your high horse. You were one of the lucky ones, probably not that appealing to Art so you ESCAPED the hell alot of us went thru. Learn the facts before you reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People like you disgust me. You probably think all homeless people are at fault to! I bet you voted for Palin.
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Re: If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2009, 12:17:28 AM »
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Hey Che Gookin or whomever you are. Your way out of line. I lived it! I am the post you commented on and hey I came from a very structered family so making my bed was not the issue! The abuse was. Sadly if my family new then what I was going thru they would have mutilated Art. I got caught smoking pot and my parents freaked. Beginning of sad story I ended up at the Seed on a "friend" of the family's reccomendation. What happened after was not scolding it was pure abuse. I never reported it because I was to afraid. Yeah when your a kid from a good home and your in the middle of hell you freak! I buried this stuff for years until someone shared this website and finally I can "vent" and express my anger and what I endured. No stories just the truth. Where the hell were you when all this was going on. Looking for shell on the weekly beach trip? So Art could gaggle at us in swim suits then take us to porn shops in Hollywood FL. it happened! Wake up why the hell do you think so  many people are writing? By the way the Doc who did the surgery told me that it was routine until AFTER. I was a naive kid who abused, pure and simple. Deal with it and get off your high horse. You were one of the lucky ones, probably not that appealing to Art so you ESCAPED the hell alot of us went thru. Learn the facts before you reply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! People like you disgust me. You probably think all homeless people are at fault to! I bet you voted for Palin.

Che's boycotting so probably wont be back to answer you but a few things you might be confused about

One was his point, not saying that structure is the abuse but that in these programs it can be used as abuse... and he isn't denying that abuse exists either.

another thing is that he wasn't a student. Actually he was staff.

and last but not least is your assumption about his political party.... being as he isnt even in the united states I don't think he voted for Palin.
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Re: If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2009, 01:50:36 PM »
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being as he isnt even in the united states I don't think he voted for Palin
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U.S. Citizens vote "Absentee" all the time.
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Re: If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?
« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2009, 04:33:17 PM »
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Absolutely

I would love to confront them especially Art. He made me have a total hysteractomy at the age of 17, treated me with contempt and sexual abuse. He kicked me one time so hard I bled from my rectum for weeks. It was pure torture. I was emotionally abused for 5 friggin years and sadly did not know where to go until I finally got brave and left in the dark of night. he manipulated me, made me watch porn movies, told me I was no good. I fell in love at the seed with a guy named Kenny and thought the world would finally be okay Art screwed that up and had Kenny marry someone else, That was when he married John Perloff off to Cindy, Libby to some scum bag etc. I hated it. I was called names, humiliated etc. ANYONE who says the seed is good is still lost and messed up. YES I would love to get in his face. Do you know what it feels like to find out years later that no way can I have kids because some scum bag told me to have an operation I had no understanding of? The repercussion of that place are horrendous. I was haunted for years and this is only the beginning of the story. Contact me I will do it!

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Upon doing so I will reveal who I am and all that happened.

i AM SO sorry. I hope you get justice. the monster should be KILLED
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Re: If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2009, 06:51:27 PM »
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Straight was a loving place of hope and healing where people could work on their drug and alcohol problems with some dignity and pride. Your  supportive family network is willing to work on themselves to help  reconnect with you in spite of the relationships that you once ruined  with them. A team of professional staff members to help and assist you  and your loved ones through the long and painful recovery process. Are  you diseased individuals? Yes. Are you the lowest form of life on  Earth? I`m afraid so. Do you need a time out from society because of  all the bridges you have burned because of your addictions? Without a  druggie doubt. Upon graduation you may even wish to serve on the  honorable staff and help other addicts with their problems. If you  prove you are a worthy example to others you might be accepted to join  this ring of Honor called "Staff." Is Straight confrontational? Yes  but only in a tough love way and if you complete the program you will  come to understand that the sweet is never as sweet without the sour.  I wish you well as you take this brave and unpredictable journey of recovery and discovery.

OH MY FRIGGIN GOD. Some lunatic defending STRAIGHT? This is perhaps, Terri Nissley?
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Re: If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?
« Reply #67 on: March 31, 2009, 11:14:23 PM »
What about the fact that these people rarely consent to interviews, what would you do to lure them in? tell them you are reporting on their side of the story, get a little tour of their facility and then lure them into a separate location for debriefing and then surprise them with the confrontation? (kinda like in intervention)
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