blog of a program parent

[Miss Antsy Pam]

You people can choose to believe whatever you want, but I am an ANTI-PROGRAM parent. For the record, I am against "forced treatment"  I did not get involved with this cause for fun....I find what they do deplorable!  I do not take what Psy said personally as I KNOW it was NOT directed at me.....blah blah...sticks & stones

READ my signature line on Antiwwasp BELOW if you want to know what I think or what I stand for:

Parents....read BETWEEN the lines of your child's letters, ask for inspection reports...DO NOT send your child out of the U.S. or to any Behavior Modification programs...behavior is only modified by TORTURE & ABUSE...you have been lied to!

I am a program parent and a little more open minded than yourself and maybe because I am a little more knowledgable.

Oh really...then you should have been able to spellcheck the word "knowledgeable." LOL You may be more versed in "program lingo" if you went to and/or you completed the seminars.  You are kidding RIGHT??  You could not see those for what they were?  Tsk Tsk

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I believe there are programs that are abusive and those that are helpful.  I don’t judge people I don’t know, Oh yes you DO - you "prejudged" ME pretty quickly so I am sure you have your reasons to be anti-program miss pam.   Yes, I do have my reasons.  After what WWASP did to my son in 60 days is MORE THAN UNCONSCIONABLE!

I don’t expect to change your opinions.   You wont.  My family has experienced great success and reading here I have seen that others have been less fortunate. I am very happy for you & your family....truly!

I do agree that parents should not send their children outside of the US. Now, we have 1 commonality as parents I have not seen any programs station there which I feel have a proven track record.  Your post leads me to believe you are a little ignorant on the use of Behavior Modification.   Again with the assumptions...how do you know that I am not a practicing psychologist?

Adjusting a person behavior does not require abuse or torture, you have been mis informed.  Behavior modification is achieved thru positive and negative reinforcement.   Those WWASPIES did a good job with YOU and I am sure they would be quiet pleased! If you ever had children a critical step in their development was when you potty trained your child (hopfully thru positive reinforcement). This is an example of behavior modification.   Thank you for that little lesson :-)  I have noticed that many of the definitions of behavior mod, torture, abuse have been distorted by posters  Like YOU. here so I can see why people here get this confused.

 
What do you honestly expect to see on an Anti Program website???

You want to compare "potty training" to what is being done to these kids, you are living in Fantasyland?  Get a grip already!

5 years later, I have living walking proof of what my son endured at CBS - he was only there 60 days and lost 25lbs because they were STARVING him!!!  The main goal of these programs are about ONE thing and ONE thing only MONEY!!

[TheWho]

Oh really...then you should have been able to spellcheck the word "knowledgeable." LOL You may be more versed in "program lingo" if you went to and/or you completed the seminars. You are kidding RIGHT?? You could not see those for what they were? Tsk Tsk

Interesting that ewe base a persons knowledge on weather or knot they utilize or rely on spell Czech and then laugh at them.  The seminar stuff I am not sure what you are talking about.

Yes, I do have my reasons. After what WWASP did to my son in 60 days is MORE THAN UNCONSCIONABLE!

Sorry to hear that. Miss pam

Again with the assumptions...how do you know that I am not a practicing psychologist?

How do you know I sent my kid to WWASP program?

Those WWASPIES did a good job with YOU and I am sure they would be quiet pleased!

Again, not sure what you mean.  

What do you honestly expect to see on an Anti Program website???

I would expect to see a lot of anti-program people but I wouldn’t feel comfortable posting on one since I am not against all programs  thats why I read and post here on fornits.  I am sort of middle of the road.  There is a lot of room for improvement for most programs and I feel there are others which should be just shut down.

You want to compare "potty training" to what is being dome to these kids, you are living in Fantasyland? Get a grip already!

Did you mean "...what is being done to these kids?  The word "dome" doesnt get picked up on spell  Czech, but I understood what you meant so I didnt need to stop and point it out to you just to embarrass you like you did to me, but just wanted to make a point.

We were talking about “Behavior Modification” if you recall (not specifically potty training).  In order to transition a child out of diapers most kids need positive reinforcement which is classified as behavior modification.  I understand that the kids in programs are potty trained, but they are subjected to behavior modification just the same.  If you feel this is abusive then virtually every person has been abused and also has been the abuser.  This is why it is important to get the definitions of terms like abuse and torture understood.  Behavior modification covers behavior thoughout our whole life time.  To answer your question above, this is what tipped me off that you were probably not a psychologist or in a related field.
I feel most of this mis communication between us is due to communication online.  If this was face to face I don’t think we would have this disconnect of understanding plus there are no spelling issues.

5 years later, I have living walking proof of what my son endured at CBS - he was only there 60 days and lost 25lbs because they were STARVING him!!! The main goal of these programs are about ONE thing and ONE thing only MONEY!!

I am sorry to hear this.  This is one reason it may be helpful to expose the abusive programs and let the better ones rise to the top instead of putting them all in one category.  As far as the money goes we all know that we pay as we go, from the time we are born until we die.  Nothing is for free and none of us work for free.  My child is still doing fine (Thankfully and I do feel fortunate based on reading what programs or staff she might have ended up with)

[TheWho]

Most rational, intelligent people would never make the mistake of confusing psychologically abusive (and potentially fatal) practices of coercive thought reform with "potty training," but I guess ya can always try, eh?

Ursus, I never compared thought reform with potty training.  Potty training doesn’t require re-education or brainwashing.  Potty training is behavior modification.  It is moving a child in a direction which is consistent with what is acceptable with society.  It would probably be considered abusive if you did not potty train your child and send him/her to school in diapers.

[Anonymous]

You people can choose to believe whatever you want, but I am an ANTI-PROGRAM parent. For the record, I am against "forced treatment"  I did not get involved with this cause for fun....I find what they do deplorable!  I do not take what Psy said personally as I KNOW it was NOT directed at me.....blah blah...sticks & stones

READ my signature line on Antiwwasp BELOW if you want to know what I think or what I stand for:

Parents....read BETWEEN the lines of your child's letters, ask for inspection reports...DO NOT send your child out of the U.S. or to any Behavior Modification programs...behavior is only modified by TORTURE & ABUSE...you have been lied to!

I am a program parent and a little more open minded than yourself and maybe because I am a little more knowledgable.

Oh really...then you should have been able to spellcheck the word "knowledgeable." LOL You may be more versed in "program lingo" if you went to and/or you completed the seminars.  You are kidding RIGHT??  You could not see those for what they were?  Tsk Tsk

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I believe there are programs that are abusive and those that are helpful.  I don’t judge people I don’t know, Oh yes you DO - you "prejudged" ME pretty quickly so I am sure you have your reasons to be anti-program miss pam.   Yes, I do have my reasons.  After what WWASP did to my son in 60 days is MORE THAN UNCONSCIONABLE!

I don’t expect to change your opinions.   You wont.  My family has experienced great success and reading here I have seen that others have been less fortunate. I am very happy for you & your family....truly!

I do agree that parents should not send their children outside of the US. Now, we have 1 commonality as parents I have not seen any programs station there which I feel have a proven track record.  Your post leads me to believe you are a little ignorant on the use of Behavior Modification.   Again with the assumptions...how do you know that I am not a practicing psychologist?

Adjusting a person behavior does not require abuse or torture, you have been mis informed.  Behavior modification is achieved thru positive and negative reinforcement.   Those WWASPIES did a good job with YOU and I am sure they would be quiet pleased! If you ever had children a critical step in their development was when you potty trained your child (hopfully thru positive reinforcement). This is an example of behavior modification.   Thank you for that little lesson :-)  I have noticed that many of the definitions of behavior mod, torture, abuse have been distorted by posters  Like YOU. here so I can see why people here get this confused.

 
What do you honestly expect to see on an Anti Program website???

You want to compare "potty training" to what is being dome to these kids, you are living in Fantasyland?  Get a grip already!

5 years later, I have living walking proof of what my son endured at CBS - he was only there 60 days and lost 25lbs because they were STARVING him!!!  The main goal of these programs are about ONE thing and ONE thing only MONEY!!

Pam, this character is “thewho.”

He sees no difference between potty training a 1 year old and abducting, imprisoning, and torturing a 19 year old.

He does not think it is possible to imprison someone if they are under 21 and their parents’ give the OK for imprisonment .

 He doesn't think its sexual abuse if three 20 year old detainees are forced to strip naked a 17 year old and forcibly bathe her because she refuses to engage in the hygiene-justified public nudity that is de rigueur at all ASPEN and WASP private prisons.

He doesn’t think human beings under the age of 21 have bodies that can be violated or minds or spirits that are owed protections under law

If a detainee is beaten or worked to death in these gulags it is always an unavoidable accident for which ASPEN and WASP officials are never responsible for.

Fantasy land? He’s direct from Kafka’s Nightmare.

There is no communicating with him. Don't bother trying. He’s not a “program parent” he’s something weirder, possibly Lon Woodbury, He's Synanon’s greatest believer, that’s for sure.

My feeling is his name and ip should be posted, tracked down, and studied by criminal psychologists. Pys, Antigen, is this guy thewho, for sure? What's his IP?

[FemanonFatal2.0]

Most rational, intelligent people would never make the mistake of confusing psychologically abusive (and potentially fatal) practices of coercive thought reform with "potty training," but I guess ya can always try, eh?

Ursus, I never compared thought reform with potty training.  Potty training doesn’t require re-education or brainwashing.  Potty training is behavior modification.  It is moving a child in a direction which is consistent with what is acceptable with society.  It would probably be considered abusive if you did not potty train your child and send him/her to school in diapers.

He wasn't referring to you, he was responding to another guest.

Lets think for a moment here, plain and simple NONE of you parents whether you are for or against programs (or decided to pick and choose) REALLY know what thought reform in a program really is, and what its really like to be subjected to it. You don't know that what they use as "positive and negative reinforcement" is NOTHING like anything a mother would do to a child, it is only something that can be executed with a susceptible test populous, in an environment where the subject has absolutely no choice to comply for fear of being tormented. I really don't think parents have the slightest clue, all they see is the outcome not the process, and had they seen that process they might be singing a different song. I don't say this out of spite, but only because there are SO MANY components within the system of a program (that I wouldn't even know how to explain to you) that were just wrong on so many different levels. To say that murderers and rapists in prisons have it better is an understatement! The programs are the only place on earth that people, let alone impressionable children are systematically abused like this. To rationalize that this is for any reason okay is really just beyond me!

To be honest I have more respect for parents who admit they don't know SHIT about what goes on in the program then those who have convinced themselves they are even capable of fathoming the truth. Pam may be a dime a dozen, and luckily for her son she was able to figure out the jist of the scam before he wasted the remainder of his adolescence but even she, wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a good program and a program that's successful at keep up appearances.

The absolute saddest thing is that hundreds of girls and boys go through these seminars and live at these facilities and are taught to accept that they deserve to be mistreated because they were "bad kids", and yes, even the most vanilla program works that way. Their self esteem is being toyed with and they aren't given a fair chance to make up their own minds about their lives and their future. After a child has broken down, and submitted to the will of a demi-society that claims authority over them, they learn to rationalize what is wrong and they lose the will to question the outside world, and the courage to stand up for whats right. Kids need to learn to make their own decisions and although that may not be perfect news to you parents who choose to maintain control over your children until they are 30, but that is the way they learn to function in the real world. Your kids aren't robots, they're people and they deserve to be able to live through their adolescence no matter how many mistakes they make. LIFE teaches teens to mature, and parents are supposed to "help" their kids, not overpriced private prisons.

[Anonymous]

Most rational, intelligent people would never make the mistake of confusing psychologically abusive (and potentially fatal) practices of coercive thought reform with "potty training," but I guess ya can always try, eh?

Ursus, I never compared thought reform with potty training.  Potty training doesn’t require re-education or brainwashing.  Potty training is behavior modification.  It is moving a child in a direction which is consistent with what is acceptable with society.  It would probably be considered abusive if you did not potty train your child and send him/her to school in diapers.

He wasn't referring to you, he was responding to another guest.

Lets think for a moment here, plain and simple NONE of you parents whether you are for or against programs (or decided to pick and choose) REALLY know what thought reform really is, and what its really like to be subjected to it. You don't know that what they use as "positive and negative reinforcement" is NOTHING like anything a mother would do to a child, it is only something that can be executed with a susceptible test populous, in an environment where the subject has absolutely no choice to comply for fear of being tormented. I really don't think parents have the slightest clue, all they see is the outcome not the process, and had they seen that process they might be singing a different song. I don't say this out of spite, but only because there are SO MANY components within the system of a program (that I wouldn't even know how to explain to you) that were just wrong on so many different levels. To say that murderers and rapists in prisons have it better is an understatement! The programs are the only place on earth that people, let alone impressionable children are systematically abused like this. To rationalize that this is for any reason okay is really just beyond me!

To be honest I have more respect for parents who admit they don't know SHIT about what goes on in the program then those who have convinced themselves they are even capable of fathoming the truth. Pam may be a dime a dozen, and luckily for her son she was able to figure out the jist of the scam before he wasted the remainder of his adolescence but even she, wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a good program and a program that's successful at keep up appearances.

The absolute saddest thing is that hundreds of girls and boys go through these seminars and live at these facilities and are taught to accept that they deserve to be mistreated because they were "bad kids", and yes, even the most vanilla program works that way. Their self esteem is being toyed with and they aren't given a fair chance to make up their own minds about their lives and their future. After a child has broken down, and submitted to the will of a demi-society that claims authority over them, they learn to rationalize what is wrong and they lose the will to question the outside world, and the courage to stand up for whats right. Kids need to learn to make their own decisions and although that may not be perfect news to you parents who choose to maintain control over your children until they are 30, but that is the way they learn to function in the real world. Your kids aren't robots, they're people and they deserve to be able to live through their adolescence no matter how many mistakes they make. LIFE teaches teens to mature, and parents are supposed to "help" their kids, not overpriced private prisons.

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[TheWho]

The absolute saddest thing is that hundreds of girls and boys go through these seminars and live at these facilities and are taught to accept that they deserve to be mistreated because they were "bad kids", and yes, even the most vanilla program works that way. Their self esteem is being toyed with and they aren't given a fair chance to make up their own minds about their lives and their future. After a child has broken down, and submitted to the will of a demi-society that claims authority over them, they learn to rationalize what is wrong and they lose the will to question the outside world, and the courage to stand up for whats right. Kids need to learn to make their own decisions and although that may not be perfect news to you parents who choose to maintain control over your children until they are 30, but that is the way they learn to function in the real world. Your kids aren't robots, they're people and they deserve to be able to live through their adolescence no matter how many mistakes they make. LIFE teaches teens to mature, and parents are supposed to "help" their kids, not overpriced private prisons

I am truly sorry you got mis treated.  But that doesn’t mean everyone gets mis treated.  Thats where I think people get hung up here, if one kid stubs his toe then every one stubs their toe.  But that isn’t the way it is in the real world.  Some kids really do well and the programs straighten them out and they live happy and healthy lives.  Your personal experiences don’t reflect the experiences of the majority..... Sometimes I feel like I am in water world trying to convince you that land exists.  You have read so many negative stories and have painted the picture of program parents over and over in your minds that you cannot see anything but black and white.

Many of the program parents are not seeking control over their kids.  They just want them to survive and make it thru their teen years.  Kids in programs make up a very small percentage of kids in America.  Look at all the kids that just do fine without programs, many of the kids in programs have siblings that are going thru adolescence just fine.  If parents wanted just control they would send all their kids to programs,but they dont.  Look at the evidence, the common denominator is the child who is at risk, not the parents.  In some cases you are right the parents sent their kids away for the wrong reason, but this is rare.

If it helps you to feel better or strike back you can call them gulags and prisons, tell yourselves that the parents and staff are all evil and that behaviour mod equates to thought reform.  But the evidence speaks for itself and the majority of the kids come through  the programs just fine and do extremely well.  I understand from the feedback here that these conversations can be frustrating and believe me it is just as frustrating for me to read everyones views which seem crazy to me at times.  But remember it is healthy to stir the pot a little and introduce some fresh ideas and people who are willing to challenge the majority group think here.

[Anonymous]

Without replies, the troll dies.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

Without replies, the troll dies.

Honestly I'm sick of hearing about "thewho" and trolls, so far this poster, regardless of who they are and whether we agree with them has manged to uphold a diplomatic debate which I can appreciate. If you dont like it, ignore the thread or our posts and simply inject your opinion on the subject at hand. Don't tell me not to post, or "waste my time" I am not trying to change this persons mind, I am simply trying to understand their point of view and hope that he can understand mine. This is an issue that should be addressed regardless of who is having the conversation.

The key issue is that program parents and program survivors are on 2 completely different pages, and they tend to rationalize and seem to blindly ignore the signs and we tend to project our experience on the majority of programs and program parents. Maybe there is a middle ground that can be found here... just maybe.

[Anonymous]

Without replies, the troll dies.

Honestly I'm sick of hearing about "thewho" and trolls, so far this poster, regardless of who they are and whether we agree with them has manged to uphold a diplomatic debate which I can appreciate. If you dont like it, ignore the thread or our posts and simply inject your opinion on the subject at hand. Don't tell me not to post, or "waste my time" I am not trying to change this persons mind, I am simply trying to understand their point of view and hope that he can understand mine. This is an issue that should be addressed regardless of who is having the conversation.

The key issue is that program parents and program survivors are on 2 completely different pages, and they tend to rationalize and seem to blindly ignore the signs and we tend to project our experience on the majority of programs and program parents. Maybe there is a middle ground that can be found here... just maybe.

But this isn't the ‘are all programs bad’ thread. This was a thread about the abuse of Katie Carter by her program parents Diane and Michael, of Dayton Ohio.

Why not start a new thread to discuss "are all programs bad" and the "mentality of fornits"?
Neil/who  isn't diplomatic, its a (youth torturing) troll because it doesn't start discussions, it manipulates and ends discussions that make it (monetarily?) uncomfortable. It used to do this on every single string on fornits for the specific purpose of destroying specific discovery and highlighting and conversations; it’s a red herring technique.

Why its precense is tolerated i do not know.

[Anonymous]

You can't underestimate the number of survivors looking for a surrogate parent to talk to, even if it is TheWho.

[Anonymous]

Without replies, the troll dies.

The key issue is that program parents and program survivors are on 2 completely different pages, and they tend to rationalize and seem to blindly ignore the signs and we tend to project our experience on the majority of programs and program parents. Maybe there is a middle ground that can be found here... just maybe.

Femanon, i appreciate what you are trying to do,but it has never admitted even a program, CEDU or Elan or WWASP systematically tortures its prisoners. Its not even trying to discuss or change minds, its aim is only to consuse threads and end conversations. Trust me, I thought it was a program parent at one point. Its not. You'll see....

[FemanonFatal2.0]

I am truly sorry you got mis treated.  But that doesn’t mean everyone gets mis treated.  Thats where I think people get hung up here, if one kid stubs his toe then every one stubs their toe.  But that isn’t the way it is in the real world.  Some kids really do well and the programs straighten them out and they live happy and healthy lives.  Your personal experiences don’t reflect the experiences of the majority..... Sometimes I feel like I am in water world trying to convince you that land exists.  You have read so many negative stories and have painted the picture of program parents over and over in your minds that you cannot see anything but black and white.

Sorry to burst your bubble but that's not a fresh idea here, that's just about the same excuse we hear from every program parent. Had you said: the school that your child went to was not centered on a tough love system and did not practice thought reform techniques then maybe I would be able to understand why you don't hold the same opinions as me, but too many times have I heard EXACTLY what you said from program parents that put their kids in the same exact facility as I was in. I will admit that I have not personally experienced every program out there, so I've left the possibility open that programs that are not built on the same or similar system as those we know to be abusive , MIGHT be helpful, but to this day I haven't been given the name of even ONE program by a program parent that I couldn't prove from multiple first hand witnesses that there are abusive.

It seems that you assume because your daughter wasn't physically assaulted and doesn't have the mind to tell you what the program did to her was wrong, means everything was okay. Meaning that the programs, despite avoiding any kind of state regulation were able to create a completely new system void of any and all human rights violations. I'm sorry but that's highly unlikely. I must maintain that this entire industry that was built on a broken system is still operating in the same way because if they weren't they would not be considered a Behavior Modification Program. But just to let you know, kids "change" after they get out of abusive programs too, the success of the child doesn't trump evidence of abuse. Success after the program only suggests that your kid was willing to grow out of that teenage stage, and most definitely would have done so even if you didn't spend her college fund on a private prison.

I don't think the issue is that we are being unrealistic, I think where we end up seeing things differently is where we stand on what methods you can accept as "treatment" and what we recognize as psychological torment and human rights violations. These things are very serious in the eyes of the law, yet parents feel are necessary in order to keep their child controlled and that is where we can't see eye to eye because we would never justify abuse and false imprisonment for the sake of parental control. The reason we feel so strongly about this is because we remember what it feels like, granted you don't because you weren't in a program but I'm sure you remember being a teenager so try to sympathize with their feelings instead of always placing the blame of their past to justify your actions. We aren't talking about whether your kids deserved it or even genuinely needed help, we fight because what they are doing to the kids in these programs is just wrong on both a legal and moral level. It's not treatment, I don't know when you people will understand that you can't justify getting you child "help" if you aren't sending them to treatment. I understand you don't think that ALL programs cross that line but I can verify that the majority of them do, whether you are able to recognize that or not.

Let me ask you... what program did your daughter go to and how long has she been out?

[FemanonFatal2.0]

I don't understand how a few people discussing a off topic can stop other people from posting about the topic at hand....

I'm still waiting to hear from Katie and when I do this is where I will post, I wouldn't be in the least bit dentured against posting or reading something of significance simply because a thread has graduated to a more general subject.

As much as I'd like to say that I'm doing this to change the minds of every program parent out there, that's not entirely true, the truth is, the debate gets me impassioned and that's when I write my best arguments. I do plan to create a site that is geared toward parents considering and or have kids in programs and it helps for me to become familiar with "their side of the story" so that I can develop my counter arguments. At some point, everything I have written in my 5 years of speaking out, will most likely make it into a book so I guess I consider this my research.

And I must also admit, maybe I am looking for a surrogate mother to reason with as well, because oddly enough, everything this "troll" has said to us is exactly what my mom has said to me, yet every time we really try talking about it we both get so mad and hang up on each other.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

Okay guys, this ones a doozie, just heard back from katie and apparently the problem is MUCH MUCH worse than we thought. She didnt know about the blog and she is VERY upset.

Please read what she messaged me:


"ok. my name is katie, and before this email i didnt ever read the blog. after reading the first page i am pissed off. i cannot believe that they woudl talk about me like that and thye still do. i am 18 years old goddamnit! i am an adult. there is truth in his statements but what about my ppoint of view? what is my side of the story? did anyne even my own parent even ask me waht i felt? my mother emotionally and psycologiczally abused me, my paren divorced, i felt left out when she left. growing older i dealt with it the only way i coul. i feel as if i am betrayed because there is nothing of my opinion. i have so many things that i can say. i did my best to not kill myslef, and even now i am cutting again and i am smoking cigqarettes... its called fucking life. i dont like me, i dont like anything abiout me and diane, god, she doesnt help at all. she cause as many problems as i do. just yesterday my borther had his girlfirend over (who is my friend as well) and she called me "the third wheel" WTF? why in the hell does she have to go and do that? reading the blog it brought me to tears i wanted to get it deleted, becuause the whole fucking world can read about me and give my parent sympathy about such a horrible child they have. for my whole life there the thiought, why cant i be more like... diane said in her blog '"she's HIS" daughter. well guess what Bitch, you are my fucking stepmother!!! you are the only fucking mother i have ever really had and you choose to talk about me as if i am the most horrible person in the world. she married my dad yes, but that means that i am her fucking daughter too. she sees my brothers as her sons so why am i any different to her. her own life is her problem but treating me lke that has no place it in. i have never said any of this crap to anyone... reading what she wrote about ME... what the hell am i supposed to think. sorry for the ranting i got off topic but reading that blog hurt me, deeply.

cross creek did help me. i loved my therapists and my firneds, i was never abused but thinking about it almost none of the bullshit they taught us really effects me in the real world. i talk of victims and accountability and people look at me like i am insane. who gives a fuck. i am a human being and i make mistakes evryone does. does that mean i am a lesser human being? does that mean i am such a horrible person i dont deserve respect? sometimes i wonder if my parent sent me to utah to get me out of their hair or save my life. they were happier with me not in their family........... how would they feel if i was dead. i am sure diane would fucking celebrate and my dad, i dont know his reaction. there not a day that goes by i dont blame myself for our financial situation, and my older brother doesnt miss an opportunity to remind me that the money could ahve been better used on other things besides the fucked up daughter they have. you know what? i am sick of the bullshit. sometimes i wonder if people were meant to have children and when they do they ask, what am i going to do with that? i used to be a daddy's girl... now i am just a fucking screw up."

I'm honestly in shock right now. I will be writing her back right now. This really makes me upset.