If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?

[try another castle]

Many is more three and less than most. So we can safely say the number is well below 50% or they would have said close to half. So lets say 25% use these practices, that still leaves 75% of the programs are doing a good job.

That is unbelievably confusing math... (if that's what you want to call it.)

What does "many is more three and less than most" mean, exactly? ? I have attempted to cobble some sort meaning out of this, but cannot. Is this a typo? Did you drop a word somewhere?

100% of me does not understand your point, however, about 85% of this sum also does not care, but the remaining 15%  is so confounded by your hypothetical pie-chart of retardation, that I simply had to inquire out of morbid interest.

[TheWho]

Many is more three and less than most. So we can safely say the number is well below 50% or they would have said close to half. So lets say 25% use these practices, that still leaves 75% of the programs are doing a good job.

That is unbelievably confusing math... (if that's what you want to call it.)

What does "many is more three and less than most" mean, exactly? ? I have attempted to cobble some sort meaning out of this, but cannot. Is this a typo? Did you drop a word somewhere?

100% of me does not understand your point, however, about 85% of this sum also does not care, but the remaining 15%  is so confounded by your hypothetical pie-chart of retardation, that I simply had to inquire out of morbid interest.

Sorry Castle, it could be a little confusing as I look back on it.  When reporting in generalities words like “A few”, “A couple”, Many”, “Close to half”, “Most” etc are used when there is not a definite number or percentage to report.
Reference:

the GAO’s investigation revealed that many teen residential treatment programs have been using deceptive marketing practices

“A couple” typically means “2”
“A few” typically means “3”
“Many” Typically means greater than “3”
“Close to half” typically means near “50%”
“Most” means more than half (or greater than 50%)
“All” would mean 100%

So when the GAO reported that “many” programs have deceptive marketing practices, we can conclude it is greater than 3 programs and substantially less than half.  I choose 25% for argument, but it could be 30-40%..  Anything above 40% would be reported as “close to half”.

[try another castle]

Oh please. Like the GAO is useful for anything, anyway.

As if regulation will do anything except lend credibility to something so utterly immoral and corrupt that it deserves nothing less than complete and total eradication.


But... im a crazy, frothy-mouthed abolitionist, anyway. What do I know?

[TheWho]

Oh please. Like the GAO is useful for anything, anyway.

As if regulation will do anything except lend credibility to something so utterly immoral and corrupt that it deserves nothing less than complete and total eradication.


But... im a crazy, frothy-mouthed abolitionist, anyway. What do I know?

I agree, but at least it is a piece of "independent" information.  Reading here on fornits you would think every program was deceptive.  It is nice to get some outside info into the mix and see that not all (or the vast majority) of the programs are corrupt.  As far as we know the GAO wasnt being paid by the industry lol.  Regulation may weed out the bad programs and go a long way in keeping these kids safe from abuse.

[try another castle]

Regulation may weed out the bad programs and go a long way in keeping these kids safe from abuse.

Kind of hard to weed out anything when all we are looking at is a garden of crabgrass and dandelions. But at least with the dandelions you can pick and blow out seeds to create a whole new patch of crap. wheeee! my inner child is filled with wonder.

[Anonymous]

If you could confront your abuser face to face, would you?

Yes, I would sue him for punitive damages!

[TheWho]

Regulation may weed out the bad programs and go a long way in keeping these kids safe from abuse.

Kind of hard to weed out anything when all we are looking at is a garden of crabgrass and dandelions. But at least with the dandelions you can pick and blow out seeds to create a whole new patch of crap. wheeee! my inner child is filled with wonder.

Yes, it is a daunting task.  I am not sure myself if I could determine the good from the bad with any degree of accuracy.  Regulation is just a piece of the solution.  We need to continue to expose the abusive programs and allow the others to prosper.  The GAO was merely a starting point.

[Anonymous]

Prolific troll is prolific.

You do know that this all grants you nothing but a couple more points on the scale, don't you?

7/10

[AuntieEm2]

So in one day, you've admitted that programs are anti-parent, and that there are bad programs that need to be weeded out. Excellent.

As to the GAO, they documented 1,619 reports of abuse, maltreatement, neglect, torture and death at programs in 33 states in 2005 alone. And that's just the abuse that programs actually reported; it does not include incidents of maltreatment programs chose not to report.

The House and the GAO have issued three reports documenting abuse and deceptive marketing practices. See these links:
Report 1: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007GregoryKutzTestimony.pdf
Report 2: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-GregKutz.pdf
Report 3: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/2008-04-24-KayBrown.pdf
Parent testimony 1: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007CynthiaHarveyTestimony.pdf
Parent testimony 2: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007BobBaconTestimony.pdf
Parent testimony 3: http://http://edlabor.house.gov/testimony/101007PaulLewisTestimony.pdf

Congress and the GAO are not the only federal entities issuing dire warnings of widespread systemic abuse in programs (not just a few bad apples). The Federal Trade Commission has published these warnings to people considering placing a teen in a program:
http://http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2008/07/residentialfyi.shtm
The FTC has also provided these Facts for Consumers:
http://http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/edu/pubs/consumer/products/pro27.shtm.

Auntie Em

[FemanonFatal2.0]

Straight was a loving place of hope and healing where people could work on their drug and alcohol problems with some dignity and pride. Your  supportive family network is willing to work on themselves to help  reconnect with you in spite of the relationships that you once ruined  with them. A team of professional staff members to help and assist you  and your loved ones through the long and painful recovery process. Are  you diseased individuals? Yes. Are you the lowest form of life on  Earth? I`m afraid so. Do you need a time out from society because of  all the bridges you have burned because of your addictions? Without a  druggie doubt. Upon graduation you may even wish to serve on the  honorable staff and help other addicts with their problems. If you  prove you are a worthy example to others you might be accepted to join  this ring of Honor called "Staff." Is Straight confrontational? Yes  but only in a tough love way and if you complete the program you will  come to understand that the sweet is never as sweet without the sour.  I wish you well as you take this brave and unpredictable journey of recovery and discovery.

Im not an addict, never was and never will be. the only "disease" I have is high blood pressure.

Seriously go fuck yourself with your generalizations about people on this forum, I'm sick and tired of it. You clearly know nothing about us personally and have a warped general perception of your former clients. Regardless of what you have convinced yourself about the people who denounce your now defunct child torturing cult, the evidence of existing abuse in these places is undeniable. You have to be completely out of your mind to refuse to see that.

[try another castle]

Im not an addict, never was and never will be.

Neither am I, but I sure as hell am workin on it. Wooo hooo!


Will work for Tina.

[TheWho]

So in one day, you've admitted that programs are anti-parent, and that there are bad programs that need to be weeded out. Excellent.

I don’t think programs are anti-family, I must have missed that or you are mixing up posts.  The need for weeding out bad programs I fully agree with.  The GAO investigation did not attempt to evaluate the benefits of the industry as a whole only the problem areas.

Similar investigations into other industries where they are looking at the use of anaesthesia in particular in dentists off ices where there is little control and regulation.  They have found instances of woman being touched and molested.  The investigations intent is to expose these areas and try to correct them via regulation etc.  The GAO doesn’t expect their investigation to result in eliminating the dental industry and telling people not to seek dental care.  But that seems to be the feeling here with some on fornits with the teen help industry.  We need to recognize that the industry helps kids, as the GAO has mentioned, and try to expose the bad and allow the good to surface and thrive.

[FemanonFatal2.0]

So in one day, you've admitted that programs are anti-parent, and that there are bad programs that need to be weeded out. Excellent.

I don’t think programs are anti-family, I must have missed that or you are mixing up posts.  The need for weeding out bad programs I fully agree with.  The GAO investigation did not attempt to evaluate the benefits of the industry as a whole only the problem areas.

Similar investigations into other industries where they are looking at the use of anaesthesia in particular in dentists off ices where there is little control and regulation.  They have found instances of woman being touched and molested.  The investigations intent is to expose these areas and try to correct them via regulation etc.  The GAO doesn’t expect their investigation to result in eliminating the dental industry and telling people not to seek dental care.  But that seems to be the feeling here with some on fornits with the teen help industry.  We need to recognize that the industry helps kids, as the GAO has mentioned, and try to expose the bad and allow the good to surface and thrive.

Shitty comparison is shitty

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[TheWho]

So in one day, you've admitted that programs are anti-parent, and that there are bad programs that need to be weeded out. Excellent.

I don’t think programs are anti-family, I must have missed that or you are mixing up posts.  The need for weeding out bad programs I fully agree with.  The GAO investigation did not attempt to evaluate the benefits of the industry as a whole only the problem areas.

Similar investigations into other industries where they are looking at the use of anaesthesia in particular in dentists off ices where there is little control and regulation.  They have found instances of woman being touched and molested.  The investigations intent is to expose these areas and try to correct them via regulation etc.  The GAO doesn’t expect their investigation to result in eliminating the dental industry and telling people not to seek dental care.  But that seems to be the feeling here with some on fornits with the teen help industry.  We need to recognize that the industry helps kids, as the GAO has mentioned, and try to expose the bad and allow the good to surface and thrive.

Shitty comparison is shitty

2/10

Ahhh, Cop out.....

[dishdutyfugitive]

I smell who ressurection