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split twice:
My name is marty brown,I was court ordered to the seed from naples in 74..maybe ''73.Any way i was 13 or 14,and had a hell of a time gettin` any sleep,cause of them dang moral inventories. I often remember Libby,Annie,Scott,Robert Chun,John Underwood,and can`t quite be positive about the other names,seems like there might have been a chick named penny.
One of the weirdest things i remember,is during rap,the two leaders would look at each other and act like they could feel art`s presence in the building ,and ask if we felt it.Most everybody would get goosebumps all over their arms,as if Jesus had graced us with his presence when art came in.
Anyway,i`ve gained and suffered both from that experience..all the rest of my life both cursin` the devil,and thankin` the lord for for it.Sometimes the wisdom came in handy,..other times the knowledge of how people are such users just gets me down.
If anyone can help me recall the rest of the staff from that period i would appreciate it ..and if anyone remembers Mark Swann,who`s home i split out the bedroom window,and Marc Solo,from who`s window i made my last escape.
Any naples seedlings around here?Or does anyone remember Theresa and Mark Furman,Mary and Patty Mills,John Ford,John Shafer,etc.
Or does anyone remember the parents night when i had to get up and tell what I had learned since comming to the seed?
I said"I`ve learned a lot about honesty since comming to the seed,and i honestly want the hell out of this damned place"...
...boy did i catch hell for that!
Thanks for being here folks!...Never thought i`d see the day..the seed on the infomation super freakin` highway. marty
soflajb:
welcome to the forum
- nice post
your comment "Anyway,i`ve gained and suffered both from that experience..all the rest of my life both cursin` the devil,and thankin` the lord for for it.Sometimes the wisdom came in handy,..other times the knowledge of how people are such users just gets me down." pretty much sums up my feelings about the seed. it wasnt all good or all bad, but it was a crazy messed up trip through it.
this board is not too active anymore but a few stop by from time to time. i was never in the FL seed - i was in cleveland on the program 76-77, around off and on until it closed.
you woulda been slightly older than me - i turned 15 in 1976.
your post definitely made me laugh - thanks for the comments. you reminded me of a newcomer in cleveland who, at his first open meeting, got up and started to introduce himself, proceeded to say something to the effect of, "I never really hated my father, that is until he put me in here....." well you can imagine he got yanked from the line up pretty quickly and out of the open meeting, and returned after about an hour to get up in front of the room and apologize. we could only imagine what the reeming he got behind the scenes was like.
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--- Quote from: "split twice" ---My name is marty brown,I was court ordered to the seed from naples in 74..maybe ''73.Any way i was 13 or 14,and had a hell of a time gettin` any sleep,cause of them dang moral inventories. I often remember Libby,Annie,Scott,Robert Chun,John Underwood,and can`t quite be positive about the other names,seems like there might have been a chick named penny.
One of the weirdest things i remember,is during rap,the two leaders would look at each other and act like they could feel art`s presence in the building ,and ask if we felt it.Most everybody would get goosebumps all over their arms,as if Jesus had graced us with his presence when art came in.
Anyway,i`ve gained and suffered both from that experience..all the rest of my life both cursin` the devil,and thankin` the lord for for it.Sometimes the wisdom came in handy,..other times the knowledge of how people are such users just gets me down.
If anyone can help me recall the rest of the staff from that period i would appreciate it ..and if anyone remembers Mark Swann,who`s home i split out the bedroom window,and Marc Solo,from who`s window i made my last escape.
Any naples seedlings around here?Or does anyone remember Theresa and Mark Furman,Mary and Patty Mills,John Ford,John Shafer,etc.
Or does anyone remember the parents night when i had to get up and tell what I had learned since comming to the seed?
I said"I`ve learned a lot about honesty since comming to the seed,and i honestly want the hell out of this damned place"...
...boy did i catch hell for that!
Thanks for being here folks!...Never thought i`d see the day..the seed on the infomation super freakin` highway. marty
--- End quote ---
What did this "Penny", look like? Did this person have a last name?
kind regards,
-DP
Anonymous:
DP,it seems like penny might have been a black girl,not sure.I am known for my memory,but must have suppressed a lot..it seems when i rarely meet up with someone who was there,they seem to not to recall a fraction of what i do.Then when i came here,or any where else on line to look into the seed for only just recently,i am amazed at what people remember,and how little i actually do.
Another thing that has stood out in my memory is how annie,the skinny rap leader chick had a bad habit of chewing at the insides of her mouth,pressing at the sides of her face the get a better bite...........God,i know i could have caught hell for talking behind her back the way that i`m doing.
When they first filled me in on the deal about not talking behind someones back,i asked my old comer how did they find each other if you can`t ask somebody where they are,it seems like i was told by a nearby old timer that if you don`t see them at the seed they`re probably not worth seeing.
After i split the seed the second time,the judge sent me to the concept house,that was a friggin` nut house is what that place was! I was out the back stairway by 2:00 am the same night.I`m from a tiny island down in the everglades,and i was not prepared for that place,people running around in their droors ,wearin` homemade capes and masks,and wearing signs!
There was a big black guy,probably at least 6-10,they figured he had an ego problem,so they made him carry a six foot plastic hot dog & bun,with a sign saying "Any friend of Oscar Meyer`s is a friend of mine !"
later,marty
grad1:
Re: Penny. She was black and sometimes Art would have her sing "People" at open meetings. She had a beautiful voice. I was really scared of her when I was on my program. I think she came down on some people really hard. I guess they deserved it. She seemed fair. She also had a funny side and a kind side. She came back to a get together not too many years before the Seed closed. She looked great.
I remember Cliff was leading a rap and digressed to tell a story about getting sent to do some shopping and Penny went with him. He said he felt really weird and getting "strange vibes" at the grocery store. He said that suddenly he looked at Penny and she looked at him and he said, "your are black", while at the same time she looked at him and said, "your white". We all laughed like crazy. He said the lesson was that after your are straight superficial shit is not important and in our minds.
It is really funny how we remember some things crystal clear and there are persons and long periods of time that we forget.
Anne could come down on people real hard, but she seemed nice. I was always scared shitless of saying something wrong and having staff come down on me. They never did. I felt I would have broke.
skipjackguy@cox.net
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