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FHOXX:
OSI - CIA doctor, Willard F. Machle - (first director of the CIA scientific dept.) has the proof.
--- Quote from: "psy" ---Both sides have some very good points, but what about a sort of hybrid approach, where the FDA could still approve drugs and make recommendations, but the ultimate choice would still be in the hands of the consumer?

Ursus does have a very valid point about doctors getting kickbacks.  That relationship should either be fully disclosed to patients or considered a form of fraud (and for enforcement, doctors would have to disclose their financial records to a regulatory agency on a regular basis)...  Same way I feel about educational consulting.  While Antigen has a point that patients should be able to go to somebody they trust to get advice on what to put in their bodies... who exactly do you trust, and should you have to?  I appreciate a "buyer beware" perspective, but nobody is invulnerable from a con.  Should the sole responsibility should rest on a patient for getting conned by a doctor on the take?  Allowing that would more or less declare open season on consumers.

Of course you could argue that consumers should always beware and yes, they are responsible for what they put in their bodies...  but would that really work?  Could consumers stop relying on government to be their nannies, or will they always want that safety net, even if it restricts their freedom.  Would it be possible to create a skeptical society that researches stuff before they stuff it down or up their various orifices?  On one hand, I have little compassion for morons who take experimental drugs then whine they grew a third leg, but on the other hand, do I really want to do research on everything my doctor prescribes me?  That's why I think the FDA could be "de-fanged" and yet still have an advisory role.  Consumers could check with the FDA website to see if a drug is approved after it is prescribed to them (or the drug itself could contain the notice).  Consumers could also rate their doctors online to warn other consumers if they are crooked...  There are ways it could work.  Ultimately, in order to end the drug war, the FDA would have to be de-fanged.
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Ursus:
The FDA is already more or less defanged and in the back pocket of Big Pharma. Multinational corporations already have a stranglehold on the U.S. government, which is partially, if not primarily, why we are currently in such an economic crisis. If you think gutting what little clout the FDA still has is going to make any difference in ending the Drug War in your lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

Look. There is a huge difference between some individual who considers themselves libertarian because they resent Big Brother meddling too much in their private affairs, and a libertarian think tank whose primary modus operandi is to put out misleading and obfuscating tracts to sucker folks who don't put 2 plus 2 together. Daniel B. Klein and the "Independent" Institute would have you believe that answer is five.

On exactly whose behalf do you think the "Independent" Institute, the Foundation for Economic Education (who has the copyright on that paper Antigen posted), or the Cato Institute (closely aligned, with many individuals having associations in common) is working?

Do you honestly believe, for even half a second, that they are the least bit concerned about that individual who wants to smoke pot on his back porch without worrying about some self-righteous neighbor turning him in? These conservative think tanks are working to loosen the tethers that still barely inhibit multinational corporations from getting even larger and more powerful. They are but tangentially interested in addressing the rights of individuals.

Antigen:
Ursus, FDA is not defanged. It's just been bought, broken and trained by the highest bidder. Government regulation of an industry only rakes influence of that industry into a nice tidy heap for easy auction. Of course the highest bidder is the Pharma industry. There's always a buyer.  That's pretty much how it always goes.

Yeah, I think CATO and other libertarian think tanks and projects are on our side in this.
Check this out http://www.cato.org/realaudio/cbf-04-20-06.ram

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "Ursus" ---The FDA is already more or less defanged and in the back pocket of Big Pharma. Multinational corporations already have a stranglehold on the U.S. government, which is partially, if not primarily, why we are currently in such an economic crisis. If you think gutting what little clout the FDA still has is going to make any difference in ending the Drug War in your lifetime, you are sadly mistaken.

Look. There is a huge difference between some individual who considers themselves libertarian because they resent Big Brother meddling too much in their private affairs, and a libertarian think tank whose primary modus operandi is to put out misleading and obfuscating tracts to sucker folks who don't put 2 plus 2 together. Daniel B. Klein and the "Independent" Institute would have you believe that answer is five.

On exactly whose behalf do you think the "Independent" Institute, the Foundation for Economic Education (who has the copyright on that paper Antigen posted), or the Cato Institute (closely aligned, with many individuals having associations in common) is working?

Do you honestly believe, for even half a second, that they are the least bit concerned about that individual who wants to smoke pot on his back porch without worrying about some self-righteous neighbor turning him in? These conservative think tanks are working to loosen the tethers that still barely inhibit multinational corporations from getting even larger and more powerful. They are but tangentially interested in addressing the rights of individuals.
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Thank you for the sense. People, its not the FDA keeping drugs ilegal...that's an interesting fantasy, though.
The "libertarian" think tanks are set up by mega-corp trying to figure out ways to get regulars to support policies that obviously screw them...sigh..they're quite effective.

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