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Anonymous:
Hey Jackie,

   I figurred that your therapist told you something like that.. That is the reason that I asked.  You described disassociative disorder, as like going into a black hole to avoid the pain of the program.. My personal thoughts is that, if you can create it, it can also be deconstructed.

     As you said, ovoiding the triggers, is more or less, impossible.  I just wanted to share with you just some of my ideas on this.  I figure that you most likely have sought input in reguards to this sitaution, and perhaps, from multiple sources. .. so I figurred I'd give ya a little.

    At the time when you created that place for yourself, you probably viewed it as a home, or a place of safety.  Avoiding it creates a situation referred to structurally, as conflict manipualtion, leading to oscillation.  This basically means that to the extent that you attempt to avoid it, it will come back.  It's like a person, who id tied to two seperate walls, on each side of him, by two giant rubberbands.  The further he goes towards one, the potentail is continuously growing for him to9 be pulled back to the other.

     IMHO, if you don't mind my sharing, I think that it would be best to make peace with that place.. however one would do that.. and that that is the optimum palce to put your efforts, as opposed to avoiding it, and treating it as a disease.  I would say that it is not so much a disease, as a particular organisation of self.. that came to be in order to help your mind, survive the program, but still now goes on, where it no longfer serves the purpose of survival.  I would also say that the switch, is not so much a condition to be cut away, but a part of yourself to be reintegrated.

Just my 2 cents..


Paul St. John

hanzomon4:
What is a gm? I've seen it mentioned in a few post but it's never explained?

java.gurl:
That is right on point...I could not of said it better myself....My first day in Elan 3 there was a GM, I remember a gal named Francesca was my "Big Sister" and a staff member poked her and pointed at me and I guess I was so white they actually stopped the freakin thing to get me outta there and to go see a nurse. All I kept doing they said was shaking my head "no" and saying "it's so awful, all that yelling,why,why,why..." That should of been an indicator of things to come for me..
Then I found a "M-80" in my stuff I packed away and I showed it to a kid in school and I was joking that I was gonna blow the place up and he told on me!! Then, I drew a pic on the desk during school of a girl with the top of her head ripped off, holding her brain in her hand eating it with blood dripping around her mouth. It took an entire class period...Hiram screamed at me during class out in the hallway. I was like "Jeeze buddy, calm down"....
I had not thought about that incident for years and years..
It was a movie called "Hannibal Lector" that reminded me..I saw it yesterday..It was really good btw...

hanzomon4:
Sounds like the other programs, "positive" peer-pressure(bullshit). Where do they come up with this stuff?

I've seen references to elan3, elan8, etc.. I assume that's the different houses but are these "houses" apart of the same facility or do they equal separate Elans/different facility?

In a few of the older threads I saw po's referenced, po=parole officer? If so What all do the they know about the abuse and have any of them tried to intervene? I remember reading an article a while back about New York threating to stop sending kids(State Money) to Elan. Is this State money Elan's life blood like the Judge Rothenberg Center?  

By the way thanks for answering my questions.. {rant} Looking at all of this stuff(programs, abuse, ect..) is like constantly descending into a deeper level of hell. You think you've seen the worse when you discover yet another shit pit. It bothers me so much because I know about what's going on but I can't do anythi... er what I want to do... shut  them all down and have the abusers actions acknowledge by the world and denounced as wrong/evil. For those of you who lived through all of this stuff I admire you all to the fullest. I'm looking forward to the day when I can do more then just talk, and I'll work to that end in the meantime. Stay hopeful, you got more people on your side then you know. {rant off}

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