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Trails Carolina - new program
Troll Control:
At first pass it seems this facility is doing almost everything in an illegal manner. These aren't "paperwork issues." Two staff members reported a third staff member punched a kid in the face. Paperwork? Bullshit.
Like I said, a list of what they were doing right would be a very short list indeed.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Joel" ---Thanks for posting the information Ursus. I think it would be a wise idea for the state of North Carolina to suspend enrollment until the program complies with company policies and state laws. The State of North Carolina could also take actions against Trails Carolina like the State of Oregon did against the shit pit ASPEN program Mount Bachelor Academy. I think both solutions are appropriate.
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Reading through the complaint and findings I don’t see where there would be any risk to new enrollees. If there were a company policy that stated “staff must punch kids in the face” then I could see suspending enrollment because company policy would jeopardize the children’s safety and wellbeing.
Sometimes it is good to put it in another perspective. Suppose an employee at McDonalds punched out a customer and give him/her a bloody mouth. The popular sentiment would not be for the state to step in and prevent people from eating there. I also don’t think that people would view all fastfood restaurants as abusive based on this incident. See what I mean?
For the most part this program is doing all the right things they just need to get their act together and follow the local code more closely. I think you will see that they don’t even get a slap on the hand because of the discrepancies found.
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Troll Control:
How about the fact that the guy who likes to punch kids in the face is still employed there? Don't you think that new enrollees are going to be subject to this dangerous individual? Maybe next time he chokes a kid (or already has)? Or maybe next time he punches a kid in the face he causes permanent brain damage. The fact he even still works there is alarming at least and criminally negligent at worst.
How about that Trails Carolina didn't report this child abuse? What else has their staff done to kids that went unreported?
Your constant apologies for this abusive facility say a lot about you and program supporters in general.
Whooter:
--- Quote from: "Dysfunction Junction" ---How about the fact that the guy who likes to punch kids in the face is still employed there? Don't you think that new enrollees are going to be subject to this dangerous individual? Maybe next time he chokes a kid (or already has)? Or maybe next time he punches a kid in the face he causes permanent brain damage. The fact he even still works there is alarming at least and criminally negligent at worst.
Your constant apologies for this abusive facility say a lot about you and program supporters in general.
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Nobody is apologizing for Trails Carolina that I am aware of, I am certainly not. We are discussing a report that came out and that Ursus posted.
Having the facts in front of us makes this discussion a lot easier. The people conducting the interview spoke with the staff and management. If they felt this person was a threat to other students then they would have noted this in the report or would have surfaced. If you read through the various steps you will see that the kid was out of control and attacked the staff person and punched him in the mouth and the staff lost his cool and responded by punching him back. What they typically do is look at all the pieces and the persons history in the industry. If he had a history of violence then maybe they would suggest his being removed.
You and I sitting here do not have the advantage and information to assess whether or not this person is a danger to the other students. For all we know he might have a long history of working with children and this was his first incident. I dont think we can judge down to that level.
I think if their policy advocated punching children in the mouth then I would side with you and say the program should be terminated until they have a change in policy. Children would certainly be placed in harms way in my opinion. But this was not the case.
--- Quote ---How about that Trails Carolina didn't report this child abuse? What else has their staff done to kids that went unreported?
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None, they went through and audited their records and didnt find any other incidences. There was only the one incident.
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Troll Control:
You're not very convincing. Who cares what the stated policy is if they clearly don't follow it? A bunch of these violations are for items where they didn't even follow their own policy. Right now they have policy that says "Never commit physical violence against a child" and they did it anyway.
Since they don't follow their own reporting policy the conclusion can be drawn that there were likely other events of abuse/neglect that didn't make it into their own reports to be reviewed by the state. I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that if the kid puncher were alone with that kid that report would never have been filed.
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