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Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "RG" ---Any program related to straight inc...   seed, pfc, safe, straight inc, aarc, kids of nj, etc.
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Would the cedu, desisto, or elan programs fall under that catagory?

Anonymous:
not really. The model that uses host homes and the straight inc style phase or level system is more in line of what should be addressed in this circumstance.

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "RG" ---not really. The model that uses host homes and the straight inc style phase or level system is more in line of what should be addressed in this circumstance.
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hmm. those programs use level systems...not applicable though?

psy:

--- Quote from: "Guest" ---
--- Quote from: "RG" ---not really. The model that uses host homes and the straight inc style phase or level system is more in line of what should be addressed in this circumstance.
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hmm. those programs use level systems...not applicable though?
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I was at a Cedu clone and I'd say... No.  It's not close enough to talk to authorities using first hand experience.  Straight was/is a breed of it's own.  Sure it's the same basic deal under the hood, but on the service it seems like a completely different animal.  In CEDU they didn't for example, "motivate", have host homes, or have the same type of level of parental involvement.  When you're trying to convince a sherrif (or any authority for that matter) that a certain program is Straight incarnate, unfortunately it's the superficial similarities that matter most, irregardless of how similar the core philosophies and underpinnings of the program are.

...Unless you want to sit there for hours on end trying to explain how brainwashing works to some donut munching moron who probably already thinks you're nuts.

Anonymous:
Call this guy, Michigan Dept of Health licensing division:

John Wilhelmsen at 517 241 1970 and explain your experience to the best of your ability and willingness, of course, but to add credence to the sort of treatment someone could expect to receive on LEVEL ONE, or FIRST PHASE for over 200 days in a row. The situation is that this kid cannot talk to the authorities at will, but if many survivor folks came out and voiced their experiences, opinions, etc... to Jim, well, he would have to take notes and would have more incentive to pull their license once and for all. We'll only get out of it what we put into it, so if nobody calls, writes, then nothing will happen. So far there have been at least 4 survivors who have contacted him, so that's a good start. By the middle or end of this week would be the absolute best time for folks to do this. Either way PFC is going through some major PR nightmares right now.

Also, if you are a survivor from a different program style, go ahead and call... it might help somehow.

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