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psy:
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--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" --- How far does the death count need to climb before people start recognizing this as a VERY important issue that SHOULD be widely covered in order to become public knowledge.
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I used to think that if they only knew, if they only listened to our stories then something would be done. "People" would care. It wasn't and isn't the case. "People" don't view it the way we do. "People" believe that something needs to be done with all these "out of control kids". Adolescence is viewed in a pathological sense and until THAT changes, no one is going to really do anything. Nothing that really has any teeth, or lasting results. Teenage drug use, pregnancy, drinking etc. are all down and have been going down for a while now. But you don't hear about that. You hear about the crazed teen addicts that end up deadinsaneorinjail. They've got an "anonymous" self help group for everything now. Even survivors are warning us, HERE of all places, not to write about the cult aspects of AA. Because we might "do someone someone serious harm by talking them out of seeking help". Most people think it's perfectly OK to force a kid, or an adult for that matter, into treatment. Because, afterall, it's "for their own good". Sure, when they hear of Aaron Bacon or Martin Anderson, they all shake their heads and talk about what a shame it is that THAT place was abusive. They don't see it as systematically flawed or wrong or abusive. They see it as just a few of those bad apples that need to be weeded out and then all will be well. They don't understand that ALL of it is wrong. And dangerous. And abusive. And thought reform. "People" are looking for an answer. Any answer.
Not all drug users are abusers. Not all teenagers need help. Most don't, but that's not the impression you get "out there". Fear is a very powerful motivator and they've been wielding that weapon for decades now.[/quote}
Well said.
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Anonymous:
happy days are here again, thanks to everyone doing thier part! soo soo sad bye bye southfield pfc :twofinger: :cheers: :deal: who said a little pressure wouldnt hurt anyone, what a reverse psych job on them , :fuckoff: looks like we get the last laugh, in your face pfc. :jawdrop: hit the fucking road and dont even think about ever coming back ::unhappy:: ::unhappy:: :cheers: :cheers:
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "hbc jncakj" ---
--- Quote from: "FemanonFatal2.0" --- How far does the death count need to climb before people start recognizing this as a VERY important issue that SHOULD be widely covered in order to become public knowledge.
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I used to think that if they only knew, if they only listened to our stories then something would be done. "People" would care. It wasn't and isn't the case. "People" don't view it the way we do. "People" believe that something needs to be done with all these "out of control kids". Adolescence is viewed in a pathological sense and until THAT changes, no one is going to really do anything. Nothing that really has any teeth, or lasting results. Teenage drug use, pregnancy, drinking etc. are all down and have been going down for a while now. But you don't hear about that. You hear about the crazed teen addicts that end up deadinsaneorinjail. They've got an "anonymous" self help group for everything now. Even survivors are warning us, HERE of all places, not to write about the cult aspects of AA. Because we might "do someone someone serious harm by talking them out of seeking help". Most people think it's perfectly OK to force a kid, or an adult for that matter, into treatment. Because, afterall, it's "for their own good". Sure, when they hear of Aaron Bacon or Martin Anderson, they all shake their heads and talk about what a shame it is that THAT place was abusive. They don't see it as systematically flawed or wrong or abusive. They see it as just a few of those bad apples that need to be weeded out and then all will be well. They don't understand that ALL of it is wrong. And dangerous. And abusive. And thought reform. "People" are looking for an answer. Any answer.
Not all drug users are abusers. Not all teenagers need help. Most don't, but that's not the impression you get "out there". Fear is a very powerful motivator and they've been wielding that weapon for decades now.
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Their concern was that when people here say crazy-ass shit like A.A. is a cult, 7-11 is a cult, the PTA and Rotary Club is a cult .. those uneducated on program actuality will become confused about programs i.e. GENUINE cults, that practice thought reform. Not so much, “Oh, we’re scared for adolescents!” More “Uh, you’re making us sound as crazy and ‘exaggeration prone’ as KathyS says we are.”
The problem today is modern psychiatry under whose umbrella any kid can/will be assigned a disease. In addition to that, human rights are not being enforced for minors. I’m not really sure why it’s legal to kidnap and hold someone under 18 prisoner. In fact, I have heard it isn’t. So which one is it? Will the police intervene on behalf of a kid who says he is being held prisoner or was kidnapped. No one helped me but will does that change based on the cop you get? Its too crazy to contemplate. And what about kids who are help captive post 18? Why have their not been prosecutions for that? I find this mind blowing..this whole “industry”…it’s insane.
psy:
bump
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "RG" ---Call this guy, Michigan Dept of Health licensing division:
John Wilhelmsen at 517 241 1970 and explain your experience to the best of your ability and willingness, of course, but to add credence to the sort of treatment someone could expect to receive on LEVEL ONE, or FIRST PHASE for over 200 days in a row. The situation is that this kid cannot talk to the authorities at will, but if many survivor folks came out and voiced their experiences, opinions, etc... to Jim, well, he would have to take notes and would have more incentive to pull their license once and for all. We'll only get out of it what we put into it, so if nobody calls, writes, then nothing will happen. So far there have been at least 4 survivors who have contacted him, so that's a good start. By the middle or end of this week would be the absolute best time for folks to do this. Either way PFC is going through some major PR nightmares right now.
Also, if you are a survivor from a different program style, go ahead and call... it might help somehow.
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I CALLED AND TO MY SURPRISE THIS PROGRAM IS NOT EVEN LISCENSED IN MICHIGAN THANKS TO A LOOPHOLE IN THE WHICH MEANS IT IS ONLY SUBJECTED TO INHOUSE OVERSIGHT.
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