Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
SEKTO:
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--- Quote ---get "out of my head."
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= we don't see too many of you intellectual kids. Quit hurting our brains with slightly advanced vocabulary. Stop talking smart talk. Get in to your feelings. Start flinging snot everywhere and swearing about your coerced program feelings".
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Wat kind of shit is that to teach a kid?
--- Quote --- "When you think you're looking bad you're looking good, and when you think you're looking good you're looking bad." What on earth does that mean?? I always wondered. Talk about confusion and lots of self-doubt.
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HOly FuCK!!!!! 2+2 = 5
aka you you can try as hard as you want but you'll never get it or progress. You'll always be a degenerate teen worth $66k a year.
"I can't wait to yell at you next week about more senseless shite"
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I know, I know...DAYTOP fucked us up, me and my friends, and we were only participating at the outpatient level.
But, they had our parents in on it too, and back in those days (early '90s) at the height of the "Tough Love/Positive Peer Pressure" fad our Moms and Dads just ate it up.
Look, I was just some kid that was smoking weed and experimenting with some acid, for goodness sakes, and they made me out a total dope fiend.
There were kids coming back from Athens (DAYTOP residential in TX) were really screwed up. Lots of angry kids were coming back from Athens, let me tell you.
DAYTOP's TX branches eventually closed down in the late '90s; if I remember correctly, it entailed some scandal involving embezzlement and financial impropriety, and the subsequent withdrawl of state funding and support, that led the program to be closed down there. So DAYTOP has not operated in tX in 10 years or so if I remember correctly. There might be an intake center there, but there's not an inpatient or outpatient facility open any more.
psy:
--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---I myself am not one for much confrontation, and find it hard to be mean to people, to yell and scream and such. But I learned how to be, learned how to pretend like I was a lot more angry than I really was so that it was not me who was the one getting reamed out.
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Yup. You had to attack to survive. A friend of mine who was in the same program I was in described it by saying that we were forced to become animals. It was survival of the fittest. Compassion was weakness. Even outside of group, the politicking and incessant backstabbing was rampant. The people weren't naturally like that but elements of the system forced them to adapt. Either you learned to be a predator or you became prey. It was a sick social experiment.
--- Quote ---I see it now, or I am starting to understand what was really going on there.
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I tend to think that once you understand about 70% of what was going on, most of the rest suddenly falls into place in a sort of "aha" moment.
--- Quote ---But no, there were not any daily written reports that we all had to write out, or regularly-submitted moral inventories in a written form from what I remember.
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The reason I asked was because some programs like the one I was in combine the ratting out with written lists. The lists were then compared by staff. Sometimes you were asked to rewrite them (often at random, sometimes because somebody else wrote something about you). You would never know if you missed something, whether somebody had ratted you out, whether staff already knew... You were even supposed to write down rumors. It was like the secret police. All in all it was very, very effective. People would often end up ratting themselves out, not knowing if anybody else already did. If you knew about something and didn't say, you could get punished as well. (and these were serious punishments, like losing your level).
--- Quote ---2) People were expected to rat each other out for minor offenses, yes. Because, according to our indoctrination, if you know somebody is doing something wrong, breaking some rule or whatever, and you do not turn them in for it or at least persuade them to confess, then you were complicit to their bad behavior and might as well have been doing it yourself. It became kind of a "feather in your cap" in terms of showing your "personal growth" if you turned somebody in for some small thing, say, if you catch them smoking behind the fence out back. The more things that you could point out that you saw somebody doing wrong, the more you called them out on some improper attitude or inappropriate thinking, it showed that you had "matured" and must be gaining "personal growth."
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Yup. Where I was we were also taught that we were helping others to "follow the program" (so ratting was a noble thing).
--- Quote ---If you still didn't go along with it, did too much complaining or asked too many questions, you might have to spend time in "The Chair" after a series of "haircuts."
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The chair, I assume was a chair in the middle of a circle of chairs (the one in the center being the confronted one).. a hot seat technique. We had this in the program I was in. It was like a firing squad.
psy:
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--- Quote ---Some programs used the phrase "in your head" to describe a person who was thinking too much (as opposed to in your feelings). The general theme was: don't think, just do what we do and you'll be fine... follow our orders blindly.
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Boy, that takes me back man. They'd always tell me that I was "stuck in my own head" and that the solution was to get "out of my head."
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Yeah. I've been trying to find out where that phrase came from with little success. If you have any luck, let me know.
dishdutyfugitive:
they tried that shit on the outpatient level?
for fuck's sake. They'll try anything
Ursus:
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--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---2) People were expected to rat each other out for minor offenses, yes. Because, according to our indoctrination, if you know somebody is doing something wrong, breaking some rule or whatever, and you do not turn them in for it or at least persuade them to confess, then you were complicit to their bad behavior and might as well have been doing it yourself. It became kind of a "feather in your cap" in terms of showing your "personal growth" if you turned somebody in for some small thing, say, if you catch them smoking behind the fence out back. The more things that you could point out that you saw somebody doing wrong, the more you called them out on some improper attitude or inappropriate thinking, it showed that you had "matured" and must be gaining "personal growth."
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Yup. Where I was we were also taught that we were helping others to "follow the program" (so ratting was a noble thing).
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LOL. Hyde School's "Brother's Keeper." One of their "5 principles," if I remember the current terminology correctly.
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