Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
psy:
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--- Quote from: "HONESTY" ---it appears you have not gotten the help you need.
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Define "help you need", or for that matter, why don't you define "recovery"? This is not a stupid request. Answer the question and you'll see where i'm going.
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Are you kidding me. You can stop your little game of how do you define this or that or whatever. Here are the facts Sekto or whatever is full of it. He has told so many lies it's comical. True, there probably were people who abused power at times but this guy is amazing. Are you his lawyer or is he able to take care of himself now that he's all grown up. Man I came on here because i was just told about this and wanted to check it out and I have to wonder if many of you are sitting at computers in some pysch ward playing. And, if people really want to have a discussion do more then making fun of a tpyo.
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Well. I was getting at a point but the question was never answered. To a certain extent I asked the question to cause the person who asked it to think about whether their definition of recovery was that of the world at large, or whether it had it's own definition specific to daytop/Synanon derived programs.
I asked the question about "help you need" because it illustrates a point that anybody who dares to criticize the program is automatically labeled as in need of "help". It's a fairly flexible term.
psy:
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--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---Were people really forced to walk around with pacifiers in their mouths?
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Thought I'd ask again since I didn't get an answer.
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To end this one, another fabrication. Maybe SETKO heard some stories from those who were graduates because they use to tell stories about the old days but pacifiers and all of that other crap never happened. His fantasy again. I'm not attempting to belittle his experience apparently it was not good but he needs to be truthful. Share your pain without telling lies I'm sure there's are many things that he can share that are true that can express his pain but this is sick.
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Were you there? How did you know it did not happen? There have been other documented instances of this exact sort of thing happening at various programs so it's not entierly unheard of or even out of the ordinary.
psy:
--- Quote from: "Magnificent" ---I never thought that I'd be in the position of defending DAYTOP because, as I have said there were some issue there that I had a problem with, but this guy SEKTO is not telling the truth and even when he tells the truth is with major spin. I don't have an issue with people sharing their feelings and what issues they may have had with any program but I know about this program and he's feeding you all a lot of stories that I'm sure he believes but just aren't true. Honesty knows what he's talking about and SEKTO is spun his own memories which he believe to be true.
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In my experience on this forum, i've found a few interesting things. Most people agree on what factually did or did not happen, though not all people agree on the interpretations of those events. One person might see a particular event as abusive... another person might see it as "therapy" or somehow a part of recovery. You might disagree with him on his opinions, but as far as the facts of his story go, unless you were there at the exact same time he was with the same people, you might not know what you're talking about. Programs do get "better" or "worse" over time and tend to vary between locations and staff changes.
Ursus:
Sorry to butt in on your run of posts here, Magnificent, but it seems to me that SEKTO is relating his personal experiences at Daytop and his interpretation of the net effect that Daytop has had on him, and that salient fact is well communicated by the nature and tenor of his posts.
With all due respect, your posts, on the other hand, would appear to be attacking the validity and veracity of his experiences. I dunno...were you standing there by his side during each and every day of his time there? Do you have some magical mind-bonding ability by which you were able to get inside of his head and see exactly how events affected him?
I myself would be much more interested in hearing of your personal experiences and how and why you feel that Daytop, or TCs in general, have their place in dealing with various problems and societal issues.
People are affected by events and interactions with others differently. Somewhere early on in this thread, SEKTO did state that he was quite introverted. I would very much like to hear your opinion of how the TC modality affects introverts vs. extroverts, given the very nature of "groups" per se, and the inherent "discomfort" (if not terror) they elicit in some folks.
Ursus:
Lols. Looks like I came in on a run of 'psy' posts after a run of 'Magnificent' posts! Shows you how slow I type!
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--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "Magnificent" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---
--- Quote from: "Anne Bonney" ---Were people really forced to walk around with pacifiers in their mouths?
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Thought I'd ask again since I didn't get an answer.
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To end this one, another fabrication. Maybe SETKO heard some stories from those who were graduates because they use to tell stories about the old days but pacifiers and all of that other crap never happened. His fantasy again. I'm not attempting to belittle his experience apparently it was not good but he needs to be truthful. Share your pain without telling lies I'm sure there's are many things that he can share that are true that can express his pain but this is sick.
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Were you there? How did you know it did not happen? There have been other documented instances of this exact sort of thing happening at various programs so it's not entierly unheard of or even out of the ordinary.
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We even had some of that stuff at Hyde School, although I think Elan (which evolved out of Daytop, or so I understand) is the most famous for that kind of "behavior modification."
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