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DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run

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Anne Bonney:

--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I understand the kids who just get out of programs and want to blow off some steam by posting on the internet. But what strikes me as particularly sad is the middle aged "survivors" who still can't let go of an experience and hold onto the past and use it to account for their failure in life. Nothing is as pathetic as middle aged people still bitching about their child hood. Get over it already whiners.
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Oh go on with your bad self.  ::)  Jeezus christ, what the fuck is it about program people that they absolutely cannot BEAR to hear anything negative about their beloved programs?  And why must we always be "fucks ups" or "addicts" if we're criticizing them?

Most of us 'old timers' are here to help ease the newly released POWs back into normal society and to regain their critical thinking skills.  This kind of a mindfuck has lasting repercussions.  It gets into the core of a person's psyche and scrambles it.  It teaches them that they are powerless, it teaches them that they will fail w/o benefit of the program, it teaches them that they are damaged for life.  None of it is true and the new people could use a little reassurance that they're not crazy.

Why are you here?

Anonymous:

--- Quote from: "psy" ---
--- Quote from: "Honesty" ---Just because you failed at recovery does not indicate that others will.
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This mentality is something that facinates me.  It's "if you are critizing the program, you must not be sober!".  It implies a person can only get "sober" through the one program... that there is only one true path to salvation.  When I went down to protest Benchmark, the first thing they told their students (from what one told me) was that I was on drugs.  I wasn't, but for the sake of argument, even if I was, how would they know (what... do staff have built in long-range drug detectors), and even if they did, it wouldn't defeat my arguments. It's just ad-hominem...  one of the few, over-used weapons program supporters have in their arsenals.
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I never said the person wasn't sober, I said they have failed in recovery. In order to recover you must come to terms with issues. As SEKTO has not.

psy:

--- Quote from: "Honesty" ---In order to recover you must come to terms with issues. As SEKTO has not.
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Oh?  So "recovery" implies more to you than just getting off drugs?  That word have a special meaning to members of your group?  Wow!  I am utterly shocked.  Perhaps you can elaborate as to precisely what "recovery" means in your lexicon.

Anonymous:
PSY,
I have already elaborated and made the point clearly. "My Group" as you say is just one person who will not allow the few failures of a program to spread lies.

psy:

--- Quote from: "Honesty" ---PSY,
I have already elaborated and made the point clearly. "My Group" as you say is just one person who will not allow the few failures of a program to spread lies.
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You didn't answer the question.

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