Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
Anonymous:
Sekto, Lets begin to breakdown your lies:
“If what I was told about her is true, then Marcy indirectly killed Mike GOMEZ through her abuse and negligence, IMO”.
Therefore, you heard this information from someone else. This is not fact, but something you Heard! I heard the sky is green; it does not make it true.
“Mike GOMEZ was the kid I told of, whom Marcy (going against his parents' wishes) told that he was adopted, according to my sources. This led to Mike becoming very disturbed and running away, eventually getting killed while driving drunk”.
How is this related? How do you know that Mike (God rest his sole) did not have a bad day. How do you relate one to the other? Again NOT fact but something you heard!
“We all treated Mike very poorly, and I regret that. He was the guy who was made to walk around with the pacifier”.
This is again a False statement. It should have been written that You treated Mike poorly. You have to live with that. How do you defend what you did? Do not blame other people for your actions.
"When I first got there in March of '92, the director's name was Mike GORMAN. He was a chain-smoking ex-jazzbo from NYC who claimed to have played the drums in Billie Holiday's band".
So you can believe everyone else but question Mr. Gorman?
"When you think you're looking good you're looking bad, and when you think you're looking bad, you're looking good" crap".
This was likely true in your case.
“Mike Gorman graduated from DAYTOP way back in the '60s and had worked for their organization for a long time”.
Wow, you actually have some of the information correct. He actually, started the Daytop in Italy and some other areas. He retired and then was asked to come out of retirement to assist with starting both Texas and Florida.
"He's been dead for over ten years. He was pretty old when I knew him, and I heard that he died in Florida at his daughter's house. He died in '93".
Not True. He died in his own home in Florida, surrounded by many people who loved him and who were Daytop Graduates.
“I am pretty sure that Mike Gorman had been part of Synanon back in the day, too”.
Not True. Never was a part of Synanon.
The next director after Mike was a guy named Eddie CINISOMO. He was a DAYTOP grad from NYC too and would always tell us that we were just statistics to him.
Actually, you were only a number or statistic. He was not your counselor or your momma. Come to terms with it.
“I don't know how or why he got removed from the directorship, but he did. He is dead now too, from some kind of natural causes, but I know no details of his death or the circumstances of it”.
How do you assume that he was removed from the Position? Maybe his illness had something to do with it.
“After Eddie was M******* another Puerto Rican, ex-heroin addict”.
It appears you have some issue with this person being a women and Puerto Rican? What a shame. You still have many issues to work out.
“I am not mentioning here name here to protect her privacy in case she is still alive”.
How considerate of you.
“She was (according to my sources) HIV positive but none of us knew it at the time, and I heard that she is dead now too”.
So much with this one. What does her HIV status have to do with anything? How do you know she was HIV positive? In fact, you don’t know anything about her. What a great lawsuit, this will be.
“She eventually died (or so I heard) from an AIDS related disease”.
I hope you know of a few good attorneys’ with this one.
I will further dissect you lies and Bull later. You are a weak person who tries to find comfort in others pain. It is amazing that quote as truth what you want to hear. Just because you failed at recovery does not indicate that others will. Daytop has helped many and not everyone who goes to Daytop will benefit. You can’t blame the program for everything. You have to take responsibility for your own actions.
Anne Bonney:
--- Quote from: "Honesty" ---Sekto, Lets begin to breakdown your lies:
“If what I was told about her is true, then Marcy indirectly killed Mike GOMEZ through her abuse and negligence, IMO”.
Therefore, you heard this information from someone else. This is not fact, but something you Heard! I heard the sky is green; it does not make it true.
“Mike GOMEZ was the kid I told of, whom Marcy (going against his parents' wishes) told that he was adopted, according to my sources. This led to Mike becoming very disturbed and running away, eventually getting killed while driving drunk”.
How is this related? How do you know that Mike (God rest his sole) did not have a bad day. How do you relate one to the other? Again NOT fact but something you heard!
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Sorry. Couldn't help myself.
:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao:
--- Quote ---“We all treated Mike very poorly, and I regret that. He was the guy who was made to walk around with the pacifier”.
This is again a False statement. It should have been written that You treated Mike poorly. You have to live with that. How do you defend what you did? Do not blame other people for your actions.
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Were people really forced to walk around with pacifiers in their mouths?
--- Quote ---"When you think you're looking good you're looking bad, and when you think you're looking bad, you're looking good" crap".
This was likely true in your case.
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And how is this libel or slander?
--- Quote --- “Mike Gorman graduated from DAYTOP way back in the '60s and had worked for their organization for a long time”.
Wow, you actually have some of the information correct. He actually, started the Daytop in Italy and some other areas. He retired and then was asked to come out of retirement to assist with starting both Texas and Florida.
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And how is this libel or slander?
--- Quote --- "He's been dead for over ten years. He was pretty old when I knew him, and I heard that he died in Florida at his daughter's house. He died in '93".
Not True. He died in his own home in Florida, surrounded by many people who loved him and who were Daytop Graduates.
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And how is this libel or slander?
--- Quote ---“I am pretty sure that Mike Gorman had been part of Synanon back in the day, too”.
Not True. Never was a part of Synanon.
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And how is this libel or slander?
--- Quote ---The next director after Mike was a guy named Eddie CINISOMO. He was a DAYTOP grad from NYC too and would always tell us that we were just statistics to him.
Actually, you were only a number or statistic. He was not your counselor or your momma. Come to terms with it.
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And how is this libel or slander? Good to know how the higher ups view the people they're supposed to be caring for. Thanks for that bit of insight.
--- Quote ---“I don't know how or why he got removed from the directorship, but he did. He is dead now too, from some kind of natural causes, but I know no details of his death or the circumstances of it”.
How do you assume that he was removed from the Position? Maybe his illness had something to do with it.
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And how is this libel or slander?
--- Quote --- “After Eddie was M******* another Puerto Rican, ex-heroin addict”.
It appears you have some issue with this person being a women and Puerto Rican?
--- End quote ---
And how is this libel or slander?
--- Quote ---What a shame. You still have many issues to work out.
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How very program like of you. Anyone who dares question the great and powerful Oz is subjected to all kinds of moral inventories being taken of them.
--- Quote ---“I am not mentioning here name here to protect her privacy in case she is still alive”.
How considerate of you.
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I thought so too.
--- Quote --- “She was (according to my sources) HIV positive but none of us knew it at the time, and I heard that she is dead now too”.
So much with this one. What does her HIV status have to do with anything? How do you know she was HIV positive? In fact, you don’t know anything about her. What a great lawsuit, this will be.
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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: Yeah, good luck with that. Google Pumpgate or Ray Bradbury and see how well the Semblers made out w/ their suit against him. Go ahead. Sue. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze sue! All the dirty little secrets about Daytop will come spilling forth.
--- Quote ---“She eventually died (or so I heard) from an AIDS related disease”.
I hope you know of a few good attorneys’ with this one.
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If that's all you've got, hell.....a first year law student could take care of this.
--- Quote --- I will further dissect you lies and Bull later.
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Further?? You haven't done shit for it yet.
--- Quote ---You are a weak person who tries to find comfort in others pain. It is amazing that quote as truth what you want to hear. Just because you failed at recovery does not indicate that others will. Daytop has helped many and not everyone who goes to Daytop will benefit. You can’t blame the program for everything. You have to take responsibility for your own actions.
--- End quote ---
Again, how very program of you. You learned well, I see. Congratulations. You've finished your "becoming" and have been thoroughly indoctrinated.
Anonymous:
I understand the kids who just get out of programs and want to blow off some steam by posting on the internet. But what strikes me as particularly sad is the middle aged "survivors" who still can't let go of an experience and hold onto the past and use it to account for their failure in life. Nothing is as pathetic as middle aged people still bitching about their child hood. Get over it already whiners.
psy:
--- Quote from: "Honesty" ---Just because you failed at recovery does not indicate that others will.
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This mentality is something that facinates me. It's "if you are critizing the program, you must not be sober!". It implies a person can only get "sober" through the one program... that there is only one true path to salvation. When I went down to protest Benchmark, the first thing they told their students (from what one told me) was that I was on drugs. I wasn't, but for the sake of argument, even if I was, how would they know (what... do staff have built in long-range drug detectors), and even if they did, it wouldn't defeat my arguments. It's just ad-hominem... one of the few, over-used weapons program supporters have in their arsenals.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---I understand the kids who just get out of programs and want to blow off some steam by posting on the internet. But what strikes me as particularly sad is the middle aged "survivors" who still can't let go of an experience and hold onto the past and use it to account for their failure in life. Nothing is as pathetic as middle aged people still bitching about their child hood. Get over it already whiners.
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What strikes me as particularly sad is the middle-aged thought police who still cling to program tactics and mindset, and who refuse to acknowledge the tragic FACT that their peers suffered trauma and abuse while in program.
Sounds to me like a real failure in grasping the concept of humanity. I guess program didn't teach you that, did it?
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