Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Daytop Village
DAYTOP Did Me Great Harm in the Long Run
psy:
--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---Until I confront myself in the eyes
and hearts of others, I am running.
--- End quote ---
In other words: you are most accurately viewed through the eyes of others. How you see yourself is not correct or accurate. You are not "real". Only others can tell you who you are.
When I took that to heart (and that took a lot of pressure, confrontation, etc...), I flipped out. I mean I went nuts. I had a breakdown of sorts. I couldn't figure out who I was, whether I was real. I felt only they could tell me who I was. It took me a good while to figure out who I really am after that.
Eventually I came to the conclusion that what I do defines me, not the other way around, and effectively I have the choice of who I want to be. Before the program I never really thought about identity. I just accepted myself for who I am. The program was the first to bring in the foreign concept of multiple identities (a clean one and a dirty one). What I wouldn't give to have that full measure of peace again. Thanks to the program there is always a trace of an instinctive, phobic, fear that somehow I am not who I think I am. Knowing something does not always make fear go away, which is why I used the word phobia (implying irrational fear).
SEKTO:
So, you were a part of CEDU? I that the group you were part of? If not, may I ask what group you were a part of? Just cannot help but wonder.
Also, please expand on what you mean by The general tune is the same: Thought reform + origin + group power structure.
What do you mean exactly in using the word "origin"?
Elaborate please?
psy:
--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---So, you were a part of CEDU? I that the group you were part of? If not, may I ask what group you were a part of? Just cannot help but wonder.
--- End quote ---
A CEDU clone, actually. CEDU (now defunct) reportedly stood for Charles E. Dederich University (CED = Synanon founder). It started in the same area and was staffed with Synanon members. It also incorporated some LGAT seminars crafted out of est and LifeSpring.
--- Quote ---Also, please expand on what you mean by The general tune is the same: Thought reform + origin + group power structure.
What do you mean exactly in using the word "origin"?
Elaborate please?
--- End quote ---
Origin? Origin of the group. Where it came from (who the leader was, where he got his ideas, which bits of which cult he ripped off, etc...).
SEKTO:
--- Quote ---Further, you naturally try to help others you see as who you were before the cult (everybody, since history is revised). They turn you into a deployable agent of the cult... a missionary of sorts.
--- End quote ---
Can you elaborate as well on this point a little please? "...naturally try to help others you see as who you were before the cult (everybody, since history is revised)." I do not quite take your meaning here.
psy:
--- Quote from: "SEKTO" ---
--- Quote ---Further, you naturally try to help others you see as who you were before the cult (everybody, since history is revised). They turn you into a deployable agent of the cult... a missionary of sorts.
--- End quote ---
Can you elaborate as well on this point a little please? "...naturally try to help others you see as who you were before the cult (everybody, since history is revised)." I do not quite take your meaning here.
--- End quote ---
Well. Imagine you tried pot a few times or even were a casual smoker, got sent to a program like Daytop, and ended up being programmed into believing you were some sort of uncontrollable drug fiend (they would reframe the actions in your past to constitute grave flaws and signs of "illness"... that's the history revision I'm talking about). Two things would then happen on leaving the cult: you would become an uncontrollable drug fiend the likes of which do not occur naturally and you would see other casual pot smokers (or even those who experimented) as destined to inevitably become uncontrollable drug fiends. In their best interest (especially if you were a parent) you would then coerce or convince the hapless pot smoker that: you were just like him, he is destined to become an uncontrollable drug user, and he needs treatment (you would then refer to the program). Without realizing it, you're performing a missionary action as a deployable agent of the cult.
Ironically, this just repeats the cycle and does far more harm than good, simply resulting in one more debilitated human being.
PS: if you've done this, don't beat yourself up about it. I've done it before I realized what was up. Nobody should be blamed for what they do in ignorance, IMO.
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