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Covergaard:
On behaft of Secret Prisons for Teens:
You can take our advice or don't, but here it is:
I think that each website and the organisation behind them should take their own path using whatever strength they have.
All the website have strengths and weaknesses. We at Spft have learned to live with them. We have tried to suggest that Fornits should moderate. They won't and we respect their decision. But because the Fornits message boards have periods being flooded with spam and trolls and internal wars, we have decided to take another approach in our work than before.
We kicked Fornits Wiki into gear. A couple of months ago we decided to make each edit on our local server first and then let the persons in our group copy it to the wiki's which use our structures. Notice wiki's. That means several. Some public, some in torrents networks hidden. We are not picky and don't care about copyright regarding our contributions. All we ask of websites using our pages are that they don't refer children. We don't care if they only use a part of our database. We acknowledge that a page about a program in Denmark or China don't have a lot of interest for American readers.
This is how we work for the time being:
1) All the volunteers are investigating through their own internet connections.
2) When they post something, they use a VPN connection to a machine here in my house which have two Internet providers active and one in spare. From this machine they access our wiki and let the people responsible for copying to others wikis know that new info are ready. All edits will be made from these three IP-numbers and from a single machine if some wants to backtrace them. Maybe we have people inside the States, maybe not.
The persons responsible for posting to Fornits is Rotsne and Oscar. Wiki Researcher are working with Fican and I to help them through a crisis. Jensp has anti-wwasp, KentD cafety, Paulu Youthright. Communication with Heal-online and Isac are ongoing from case to case whenever we feel that we all can benefit eachother. We also have people watching and posting on conductdiscorders and several other places posing as parents with problems kids and sometime giving anti-program advice and cultural lections in the superior culture in the nordic countries.
Kev: I know that you are trying to give them advices based on good intention. Leave it. This board works in another way. If they want to have these periods of total anarchism, let them have them. After all when they are functioning, they provide valuable information.
What your board is doing is also good. WWASP aka whatevertheycallthemselvesthismonth needs to have your board on their back. I have been thinking of contacting the owner of TBfight in order to offer him or her our help, so they can get the spam out of their board and renew it a little without removing its purpose.
We believe that there should be room for both general boards and targeted boards in the Anti-BM movement. We feel that our purpose is to gather all these small pieces every single board diggs up and exchange them. Here is perhaps your finest role regarding the anti-wwasp - Fornits cooperation. Sharing with an open heart whenever your board diggs up. On the other hand, I urge the Fornits members to do the same whenever they find any information, that could benefit anti-wwasp.
I hope this message clearify what we are doing at Spft. We are not interested in closing doors, but establishing a wide network.
Regards
Secret Prisons for teens
Carsten Overgaard
Founder
psy:
--- Quote from: "julie74" ---Half hearted fake apologies for the sake of "unity" make me want to puke. At least Kevin was honest before, now he's Psy little groupie.
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He meant it. It took a lot of convincing, though.
PS: I appreciate the vote of confidence in my ability to lead Kev around. Implying Kev was somehow my bitch gave me quite the chuckle. Truth is he's more or less one of the most stubborn people I know... Hardly the kind to be lead around.
psy:
Carsten. Minor request: can you guys focus your researching lazers on Midwest Academy. Check out the APALL forum (bottom of forum list) for the reason.
Ps: thanks for the kind words in your response and the attempt at mediation.
Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "kev (antiWWASP.com)" ---what's the point of reading these rediculous guest posts? or why not require registration like the other 90 percent of forums on the internet? you really don't stand to benefit in my opinion from these losers who use this place to fuel their hunger for conflict.. its like an infestation.. your database is full of garbage... clogged and unhealthy garbage, you should purge them. i really figured you for an innovator ginger, someone who sees change as a means for growth... these "stubborn" ideals don't improve your website, on the contrary, I've avoided fornits for so long for that reason alone. I have to choose besides function and form, and should i really have to? why not provide both? you're entitled to do whatever you wish as you own this site and everything inside it, and i'm just stating an opinion so it can be lost in the pile with everyone elses opinions i suppose, but these changes would improve your website's overall look and feel, and make yourself look more appear a bit more "giving" in the process. now i realize you don't care a lot about how others view you, i'm sure you could probably care less. thats not the point, you're the one in control. i would create a forum to steal your traffic in a moderated environment but im only an asshole, not a fucktard. such is the beauty of unmoderated forums, correct? i can do WHATEVER i want... so at this point, what i want is to tear the heart and sole of your webforums out, and steal all the traffic, will these posts also stand aside the rest of the unmoderated content? or will you delete them to benefit yourself while i try to manipulate your audience?
i can live with unmoderated forums when the content of the visitors posts have relevance, but you've unleashed these society rejects with free reign to confront and torment legitimate people with vested interests, without any control. it's alarming. Free Speech is invaluable, but i am going to try to develop a plan to dispose of the people who's sole purpose is "getting a rise" and "fucking with people". i would hate to have to steal your audience, and i'm not threatening you at all, there is just a legitimate need for a larger moderated forum with content you seem to have already accumulated. i'm sure there are several people here more than willing to pack up, move, and be troll-free, does that sound unreasonable?
this is not a personally directed message, i'm writing this to the webmaster and administrator of a website in my genre, so the way i see it, i'm actually just stating my intentions. i also believe your content to be the primary reason for your traffic, its just a shame i have to dig through pounds of bullshit to find the gems, i simply don't have that kind of time. so all-in-all, i'm just asking you to bend in favor of the common good, regardless of personal or emotional beliefs. there is no benefit to me personally here, i just want to see this place be as awesome as it's capable of being.
great job so far by the way, all these years and you're still doing things your way, or the highway, you must be doing something right (tried really hard to be nice here!) lol... again, take it as an attack if you wish, but i'm more just picking your brain to understand why someone so intelligent can't weigh the argument with logic involved... how about this, if there was a way to take out every troll, would you do it?
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Are you really that arrogant of a person to think that you can come here, being the newbie and trash Fornits like you are?
Why don't you shut up and go home? BTW, if you really do in fact think that free speech is invaluable then quit calling people whose posts that you do not like societal rejects. It simply proves that you do not value free speech like you claim that you do.
psy:
--- Quote from: "Covergaard" ---If they want to have these periods of total anarchism, let them have them. After all when they are functioning, they provide valuable information.
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That's the thing with fornits. It ebbs and flows... but we don't control that. Ginger and I believe the posters themselves should be the ones to decide that. Sometimes it is chaos, and sometimes there are periods of informational prosperity.
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