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Anonymous:
So how's that "unity alliance" going, with one member forum basically declaring war on the other? :roflmao: :jerry:
psy:
--- Quote from: "Guest" ---So how's that "unity alliance" going, with one member forum basically declaring war on the other? :roflmao: :jerry:
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Look, Kev. It's probably best if you apologize for offending the members of this forum. You may think it's funny, but a large percentage of this forum are guests, and calling them all societal rejects will not make friends, neither will coming on here and attempting to dictate policy. I'm not offended because I realize you were trying to help, but that probably isn't going to be the case with most others. If you want to discuss how things are done on Fornits you're probably better off asking "why are things this way" or calling up Ginger and having her explain.
Ursus:
This issue came up before, 'bout a year and a half ago, brought up by Ginger herself if I recall, so don't rag on Kev too much for bringing it up (although the timing could have been a tad more sensitive).
Regardless of the moniker "autumn fairy," the design is based on old European wood carvings of angels. And I am very partial to it. Reworking the design from a less multiple generation sounds like a good idea. I'd also recommend moving the Fornits-WWF text a little further away from it, if possible, to help it stand out more and clarify the image... Speaking of the text, please don't change it. It is practically a trademark at this point.
--- Quote from: "kev (antiWWASP.com)" ---My interpretation of this image is that is came from a very old design, and you are hanging on to that for some reason (originality, the feelings you felt in creating this site.. etc). But, it is my PROFESSIONAL opinion (if I was quoting your website for a design) would be to update your identity. I think you'd be surprised at theresults you will get in people feeling a deeper "sense of belonging", mostly attributed to visually pleasing imagery, and a professional identity... But hey, don't take my word for it, I can send 50 designers your way and you will inevitably get the same response from 45 of them. I rarely speak (or post) unless I can back it up with proof, and I can give you proof in results, if you heed my advice.
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With all due respect, Kev, here's the problem with that outlook: there are different kinds of markets out there, and the success (or lack thereof) of products offered to some of them really can't be measured by the "hipness" of logo appearance. Some markets are really more focused on "integrity," for example, and folks start getting real suspicious about change. Not saying that it can't or shouldn't happen, just that you really have to be absolutely sure you know where you are going, before you start tinkering with that concept.
Here's an interesting recent blog entry on The Brand Builder:
Chronic logo redesign vs. preserving brand integrity: Pepsi-Cola vs. Coca-Cola?
October 27, 2008 by Olivier Blanchard
...But I guess once you get past the cool time capsule thing, you kind of have to wonder: Has each change in logo actually resulted in some kind of benefit for the Pepsi Cola company? Has the Pepsi brand been strengthened by every new logo design? Has each new logo helped boost sales of Pepsi Cola over time? Has the company’s chronic change of emblem and packaging art had a measurable impact on the company’s bottom-line?[/list]
Blanchard airs more thoughts in the comments section:
I used to be very much against logo redesigns, but I am much more relaxed about them now, as long as a redesign follows certain rules:
1. The redesign must serve a specific purpose.
2. The redesign must benefit the brand in both the short and long term.
3. The redesign absolutely cannot be the result of either a) a new agency wanting to put their mark on a client’s most obvious piece of property, or b) a newly appointed executive within the company’s need to put his/her mark on the company’s most obvious piece of property.
I have seen item #3 happen so many times that I’ve grown a little suspicious of anyone recommending a logo change without serious justification. :)
Besides, once you start down that road, it gets slippery fast.
In my opinion, unless a logo is so horrible that it actually hurts a brand, any logo changes should be so subtle that most people wouldn’t notice them.[/list]
He also goes on to point out examples in which frequent logo change seems to be in keeping with and perhaps beneficial for the company or its products (e.g., Apple). Clearly, it depends. Personally, I think Apple is so well known, it can afford to mess with its logos, though they always seem to have an apple in there somewhere, eh? Apple is also known for its design innovations per se, so tinkering with their logos is fully in keeping with what they do product-wise.
Somehow, I rather doubt that Fornits is as well known as Apple. And its product, hosting an ongoing discussion re. the TTI, seems to have little to do with design issues, and a LOT more to do with the integrity of the product, namely lack of censorship, etc...
Just my 4¢, for what it's worth...
kev (antiWWASP.com):
but the point of this was to get the massive reaction that has already been brought about... thats the point of fornits right... one big huge contradiction... i'm going to leave now, at psy's request so we can continue working on the anti program portal.
since i'm so self centered and only focused on myself... lol, you aren't paying attention are you julie? i can appreciate your outrageous and unfounded commentary on the matter, but you look like an idiot when someone offers their services PRO BONO, meaning (No monetary benefit, i get the feeling you're a bit slow so i thought i'd include that too) and you call that being self-centered.. you contradict yourself the more you open your mouth, i would just stop while you're only slightly lagging behind..
i could take the time to pick apart your post, full of "sucks" this "sucks" that. but there really is nothing to gain. i would actually be hurting myself by responding, for degrading myself enough to completely retort such a meaningless post. you had no merit, you realize that.. you even made untrue statements... 1 post a week (albeit an exaggeration) is rediculous, the forums have 11,000 posts, over the course of the last 12 months (started over a while back).. you obviously aren't very good at math..
perhaps you attended a behavior mod facility and that is the reason for your lack of intelligence and intellect, but again, im just a self centered prick... and in the scope of forming an anti program portal for the sole purpose of awareness of these issues, your comments about my short lived time as a referral person are extinct.. meaning at one time i took advantage of a horribly selfish loophole when i had no money. i've seen people suck cock for crack, rob old ladies, and you're going to spend this much time on my short lived time as a referral person (less than 2 weeks)... and for the record NO TEEN ENTERED A PROGRAM FROM THESE MATTERS... no result... no one was harmed... so while you can blame and point fingers and toss around more blame to gain a better position in the argument, you're actually wrong about most of what you posted. but again we're at fornits right? the home of "no accountability for your actions"...
now i think i'll go back to work on my selfish projects that have helped hundreds of teens.
kev (antiWWASP.com):
thanks for offering something besides the usual bullshit ursus. great insight as always, wish everyone behaved themselves over here, then there could be forward motion... i suppose the mistake was in my interpretation of this place.. but psy asked me to not get involved here anymore... so i have to hold my tongue for the benefit of the organizations forming our alliance..
and to whoever posted before about infighting and not being able to get started?
lol we're almost done with two expose sites and the portal... no progress at all.. keep believing that.. im amazed at how well everyone is getting along, but you wouldnt know that because your a guest, and you're not allowed to view the private forums now are you?
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