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Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
« on: November 15, 2008, 11:00:37 AM »
Students drown after leaving camp during night, launching boats into river
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 By CARLA K. JOHNSON
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Posted Nov 14, 2008 @ 09:02 PM

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ALGONQUIN — Three Chicago high schoolers on a leadership retreat for young black men drowned early Friday after they sneaked away from their camp beds in the middle of the night and launched paddle boats into a fast-moving river, not knowing the boats' floor plugs had been removed for the winter.

Water rushed into the holes, swamping the boats in the Fox River and dumping the teens in the swift current of 42-degree water.

Chaperones at the retreat were likely asleep when the students left camp, said John Greene, battalion chief of the Algonquin-Lake in the Hills Fire Protection District.

"Shenanigans," Greene said. "That's what it looks like."

According to preliminary reports, as many as 16 students left the camp dorm, but it was not immediately clear how many teens were in the water, said Illinois Department of Natural Resources spokeswoman Stacey Solano. The agency's conservation police were investigating.

Thirty-one boys - sophomores, juniors and seniors from North Lawndale College Prep - were at Camp Algonquin on a school trip organized with the Georgia-based leadership group VisionQuest International, said Chicago Public Schools spokesman Mike Vaughn. The eight-day retreat was to end Friday.

"These are kids that have potential, potential to be leaders," Vaughn said.

Their school on Chicago's West Side serves an overwhelmingly black and poor student population. It's a charter school that aims to prepare students from communities with few resources to succeed in college.

The McHenry County coroner's office identified the dead students as Melvin Choice Jr., 17; Jimmy Avant, 18; and Adrian Jones, 16.

Avant's mother remembered her son as a gifted athlete and a generous person. Sharon Gowdy, who is out of work, said her son often tried to help her with money.

"He was so nice, so giving. Just his personality. He was good inside out. Words just can't describe him," said Gowdy, 51.

Lt. Julie Didier, a spokeswoman for the Algonquin-Lake in the Hills Fire Protection District, said the swift currents and debris made it difficult for them to remove the bodies from the river near the camp, about 40 miles northwest of Chicago.

"We definitely do not want to play games with the river," she said.

Police responded about 2 a.m. to a 911 call that three teens were reported missing at the camp.

Didier said the students took six boats on the water. All the boats had been recovered by Friday afternoon.

Authorities said after one boat quickly took on water, at least one student on shore went into the river to try to help, but ended up drowning as well.

Didier said the three students' bodies were found about 50 feet from the water's bank in 8 to 10 feet of water. At the water's edge, signs warn: "Danger. Riverfront. Keep Out."

Robert Williams told the Chicago Tribune that his son, who survived, tried unsuccessfully to help other teens.

"He did all he could to try to save them, but he couldn't do it," Williams said.

The boats on the river were taken out of service for the season by having their bottom plugs removed, Didier said.

At the Chicago school, counselors were on hand to help students. The school was open earlier Friday although most students went home. Didier said two of the boys who died were seniors and one was a junior.

"It's a very sad, somber grief-stricken day," Vaughn said. "This is absolutely heartbreaking."

Student Kyra Brown, 14, paused to remember Choice.

"He read me a story that he wrote and got an 'A' on. It was beautiful," she said.

The surviving students who returned to Chicago were taken to a church not far from their school for a service.

The bus ride back was somber, said driver Willis Falls.

"They were very quiet, in fact, I didn't hear anybody say anything," he said.

The McHenry County Conservation District owns the 116-acre camp and the YMCA of McHenry County leases and operates it.

Lynda Fauser, who runs the camp, said the groups that come there are required to provide their own supervision.

She said the chaperones and students were all in one building. She said the group had four supervisors - well within the camp's required 8-to-1 ratio of supervisors per students.

However, Vaughn said there were actually nine chaperones on the trip - four from the school, one administrator and four from VisionQuest.

Paul Murray, chief volunteer officer at the YMCA, said four adults stayed in the same building with the students, another four stayed in another location on site and a fifth was off site.

Murray said the students and adults stayed in a bunkhouse with several rooms opening up to common area, although he did not know the details of the sleeping arrangements.

VisionQuest founder Walter Earl Fluker, who attended the early days of the retreat, said his staff members were grief-stricken.

"I think teenagers and adults make terrible mistakes, innocent as they might be, we make terrible mistakes," Fluker said. "I do think in many ways they were forming the kind of community we would hope for and I hope this tragedy doesn't prevent these young men from continuing on."

Vaughn said the school district would investigate how the trip was organized and chaperoned. The YMCA also planned a review.
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Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2008, 04:46:55 AM »
Three Chicago teens drown at school outing  
 
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CHICAGO, Nov. 14 (UPI) -- Three youths from Chicago drowned Friday in the Fox River in Algonquin, Ill., after one of their paddle boats sank, officials said.

The Chicago Tribune reported that the paddle boat's bottom plug had been removed for the winter.

The newspaper said it took about nine hours to recover the bodies of Jimmie Avant, 18, Melvin Choice III, 17, and Adrian Jones, 16, from the fast moving river.

The teens were students at North Lawndale College Prep, a charter high school. They were on the last day of an eight-day leadership retreat at Camp Algonquin, said Julie Didier, a spokeswoman for the Algonquin-Lake in the Hills Fire Protection District
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Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2008, 07:48:09 AM »
What a clusterfuck.
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Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2008, 12:43:43 PM »
This is horrible!

Why is Vision Quest omitted from the second article? How irresponsible is it to take out the boat plugs if there are still kids around at the camp!?

Why did the kids try to take the boats out in the middle of the night? Were they trying to escape from something? Prove something?

Something doesn't quite make sense here...
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Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2008, 01:17:02 PM »
Vision Quest has had many deaths that could have been preventable.  Dawnne Takeuchi who was 18yrs old court ordered to go on Vision Quest was killed when she was getting out of the program by riding in a truck down a Colorodo mountain the young Vision Quest driver had not driven a large truck before, they had a truck wreck after losing control, which  killed Dawnne Takeuchi, her mother Candance Takeuchi started keeping track and finding other children who died on Vision quest.  On "Holy the Children" you will find some of the known children who have died needlessly in Vision quest.
http://teenadvocatesusa.homestead.com/tribute1.html
If the parents or family members of the children who died are reading this I would say to you that you should not except the fact that it was a accident.  Vision Quest employees are probably kids who were in the program and very young, they are not expert "Councelors".  They are probably paid minimum wage.
My fear is that this will we swept under the rug as a accident, Vision Quest has too many deaths and many are accepted and reported as a accident.
Where were the people in charge of these young people, and I agree why would they not post a sign or inform the young people that the plugs were pulled.
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Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2008, 05:47:10 PM »
Here is what is on that site now... I guess it needs updating <sigh>. An awful lot of boating accidents (BA), I might add.

Robert Doyle Erwin, 15
(BA) Vision Quest
November 24, 1980

Lyle Foodroy (age unknown)
(BA) Vision Quest
November 24, 1980

Robert Zimmerman, 17
(BA) Vision Quest
November 24, 1980
                                 
Charles Lucas, 16                  
(BA) Vision Quest
November 24, 1980

James Lamb, 14
(BA) Vision Quest
November 24, 1980

Bernard Reefer (age unknown)
(BA) Vison Quest
November 24, 1980

Eric David Schibley, 17
(BA) Vision Quest
November 24, 1980

Tammy Edmiston (age unknown)
(BA) Vision Quest
September 11, 1982

Mario Cano, 16
(UK) Vision Quest
April 27, 1984

Leon Anger (age unknown)
(UK) Vision Quest
September 16, 1984

Danny Lewis, 16
(A) Vision Quest
June 1989

John Vincent Garrison, 18
Vision Quest
June, 1990

Carlos Ruiz, 13
Vision Quest
December 16, 1994

Dawnne Takeuchi, 18
(A) Vision Quest
June 25, 1995
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2008, 06:34:17 PM »
I never knew who the owner of founder of Vision Quest was
"VisionQuest founder Walter Earl Flukeras" according to the first articule.

http://visionquestinternational.org/whoweare.html
The founder, Dr. Walter Earl Fluker, was awarded a generous grant from the W. K. Kellogg Foundation to conduct research on the development of ethical leadership. The successful completion of the study culminated in a community-based organization, VisionQuest International, which provides programs, consultation, and services to educational institutions, corporations, non-profits, governmental agencies—both domestic and international—as well as faith-based group

http://www.morehouse.edu/centers/leader ... efbio.html
 The Leadership Center Staff
Dr. Walter Earl Fluker
  Biography
 

Walter Earl Fluker is executive director of the Leadership Center at Morehouse College, Coca-Cola Professor of Leadership Studies and is currently serving as interim director of the Morehouse College Martin Luther King Jr. Collection. Since 1992, he has served as editor of the Howard Thurman Papers Project. Under his direction, the Center has developed into preeminent academic center for the study and practice of ethical leadership in national and global venues.

He is currently engaged in expanding a multi-faceted international leadership project in South Africa in partnership with The Oprah Winfrey Foundation, the United States Department of State and the African Presidential Archives and Research Center at Boston University. Known as an expert in the theory and practice of ethical leadership, Fluker is a featured speaker, lecturer and workshop leader at foundations, businesses, corporations, religious institutions, colleges and universities as well as consultant to both national and international organizations. In his consulting practice, he works with professionals and emerging leaders in both the public and private domains.

Recently, he was appointed to the advisory board of the American Association of Colleges and Universities’ new initiative, Core Commitments: Educating Students for Personal and Social Responsibility and to the Westminster Schools Board of Directors. He serves on the Board of Overseers at Boston University School of Theology, the Atlanta Speech School and the editorial board of Liberal Education, the flagship quarterly journal of the American Association of Colleges and Universities. Fluker has served as faculty for the Goldman Sachs Global Leaders Program and was distinguished speaker for the U.S. Embassy Speaker/Specialist Program in South Africa, Nigeria, India and China. He was keynote speaker and special workshop facilitator at the Democratic Leadership Council’s National Conversation and a member of National Selection Committee for U.S. News & World Report America’s Best Leaders for the past three years.

He has completed the first volume of a multi-volume series entitled, The Sound of the Genuine: The Papers of Howard Washington Thurman, to be published by University of South Carolina Press in November 2008 and a manuscript, At the Intersection Where Worlds Collide: Ethical Leadership and the Quest for Character, Civility and Community. He is in process of completing a manuscript entitled, The Ground Has Shifted: Essays on Spirituality, Ethics and Leadership from African American Moral Traditions. His publications include: They Looked for a City: A Comparative Analysis of the Ideal of Community in the Thought of Howard Thurman and Martin Luther King, Jr.; The Stones that the Builders Rejected: Essays on Ethical Leadership from the Black Church Tradition; co-editor with Preston King of Black Leaders and Ideologies in the South: Resistance and Non-Violence; co-editor with Catherine Tumber of A Strange Freedom: The Best of Howard Thurman on Religious Experience and Public Life; and is the author of numerous articles and essays in scholarly journals and anthologies.

His prior academic experience includes professorial and administrative positions at Vanderbilt University, Harvard College, Dillard University and Colgate-Rochester Divinity School; and has served as visiting professor and scholar at Harvard University, The University of Cape Town in South Africa, Columbia Theological Seminary and Princeton Theological Seminary. He earned a Ph.D. in Social Ethics from Boston University, a Master of Divinity degree from Garrett-Evangelical Seminary and a bachelor’s degree in philosophy and biblical studies from Trinity College.



 
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An awful lot of boating accidents (BA),

I think those BA were one boat, there used to be a part of Vision Quest that had "Ocean Quest".   I know there were many on one boat that drowned.
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Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2008, 07:19:39 PM »
Quote from: "Bunnie"
Quote from: "Ursus"
An awful lot of boating accidents (BA),
I think those BA were one boat, there used to be a part of Vision Quest that had "Ocean Quest". I know there were many on one boat that drowned.

The first several, yes. But then there was another one a couple years later, and now these three just recently. Except that... (see below)

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BTW, how many Vision Quests are there? There seem to be several organizations of that name and general ilk, not all necessarily focused on quests for teens.

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There is another one that seems kinda questionable that is connected to Rites of Passage (there is also a death noted at Rites of Passage on that Holy the Children link in your previous post). Their website says they have been in operation since 1977. I think this one may well be very different than the one Fluker runs (which is more recent in origin, and is based in the State of Georgia).

The Rites of Passage/Vision Quest may, in fact, be the one the other deaths are associated with... (?)
http://www.ritesofpassagevisionquest.or ... grams.html

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Perhaps it is simply a fluke (!!), or maybe not, that programs with the name Vision Quest have a lot of fatalities...
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Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2008, 07:56:45 PM »
Apparently this same issue came up for someone else earlier this year:

    VisionQuest Clarification Needed
    viewtopic.php?f=30&t=25763[/list]
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    Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
    « Reply #9 on: November 16, 2008, 08:40:58 PM »
    Okay, here it is... The VisionQuest of greatest notoriety, and most probable cause of all the previous deaths, is the one mentioned in the following thread:

      VisionQuest state director leader of cocaine smugglers
      viewtopic.php?f=30&t=20803[/list]
      Their website: http://www.vq.com/

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      It does not appear to be associated with Fluker's program (subject of the OP in this here current thread).

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      Even so... the concept of a "vision quest" appears in other programs, and deaths may or may not have occurred as a result thereof, so... some careful perusal is probably in order, for those who wish to be precise...
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      Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
      « Reply #10 on: November 16, 2008, 09:15:05 PM »
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      This is horrible!

      Why is Vision Quest omitted from the second article? How irresponsible is it to take out the boat plugs if there are still kids around at the camp!?

      Why did the kids try to take the boats out in the middle of the night? Were they trying to escape from something? Prove something?

      Something doesn't quite make sense here...

      1) You take the boat plugs out in the winter to keep the boats from filling up with rain water. This damages them if it happens. However, most of the time you drag the boats well away from the water to keep winter storms and floods from sweeping them off the beach.

      It is a very sad state of affairs to be sure. It doesn't speak well of the professionalism of the people charged with keeping the kids safe. It would certainly make me want to never ever send a kid to that place. But I don't think it has anything to do with the TBS-style abuse we've come to see far to often.

      As an overall pattern of negligence on the part of Vision Quest it does speak volumes.
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      Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
      « Reply #11 on: November 16, 2008, 09:28:16 PM »
      Also, for the record, I stand corrected re. the previous Rites of Passage site I posted earlier on this page. The correct one (which had the death on the Holy the Children site) is the following:

      http://www.riteofpassage.com/
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      Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
      « Reply #12 on: November 16, 2008, 09:47:31 PM »
      I am not defending vision quest. Their record speaks for itself. But this did not seem like a camp to punish troubled boys, it seemed like a leadership sort of thing. The YMCA does not have a history of negligence & they were involved with it. So perhaps it was a genuine tragedy or perhaps there was inadequate supervision of the boys & it was a prank that went horribly wrong
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      Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
      « Reply #13 on: November 16, 2008, 09:47:36 PM »
      Quote from: "Ursus"
      Also, for the record, I stand corrected re. the previous Rites of Passage site I posted earlier on this page. The correct one (which had the death on the Holy the Children site) is the following:

      http://www.riteofpassage.com/

      Ahh.. Barbe Stampe's website.. now that is a truly sad site to look over. Barbe really has given these kids some measure of dignity in death. Certainly much more than the places that killed them every have or will.
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      Re: Vision Quest/Ymca 3 drown
      « Reply #14 on: November 16, 2008, 09:49:27 PM »
      I am not defending vision quest. Their record speaks for itself. But this did not seem like a camp to punish troubled boys, it seemed like a leadership sort of thing. The YMCA does not have a history of negligence & they were involved with it. So perhaps it was a genuine tragedy or perhaps there was inadequate supervision of the boys & it was a prank that went horribly wrong
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