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Anonymous:
You know, Carey, you're not always my favorite person. You're a bit abrasive, and because I'm a bit abrasive myself, that flicks me on the raw.
But you're right on this one. All the programs are unregulated, and that very unregulated nature means that even a program that was good for Mary Sue's kid may have had a staff change and be abusive to your kid.
They're dangerous, full stop, and they need appropriate external regulation to shut bad residential treatment down and ensure the patients who actually need residential treatment get sound, quality care without the abuse.
If WWASPS really were the superior providers they claim to be, they'd *welcome* external regulation because it would weed out substandard competitors and guarantee both quality care and that patients whose problems are more suitable to outpatient treatment wouldn't be needlessly institutionalized.
That they appear to be fighting even the idea of regulation tooth and nail says everything about them that I need to know.
spots:
I write about my own personal negative experience with WWASPS because *it is my own experience*. I can verify my opinions, both from my own dealings with the company and from the personal experiences of my kid. I, like Carey, think that sending a kid away and hiring others to fix the problem is an irreversible, alienating, demoralizing decision, ripe with abuse.
If this is the foremost "anti-behavior modification" site, then I think we all have done a pretty fine job in presenting an enormous variety of food-for-thought information. We give real-life experiences of WWASPS, military schools, Straight, CEDU, and all sorts of other smaller "schools". In fact, I've been impressed lately with the philosophical and researched opinions from folks who object to any sort of "lock the little darlings up until they 'get it'" attitude that is prevalent with the WWASPies who post here.
The sarcastic post from the "Ed Consultant" is so transparent that I immediately thought of those past posts, calling somebody "Stupid Head". Wow...second grade stuff. Of course you can't post something saying your client-parents are real dumb-shits for believing your more-expensive recommendations on the same board you profess to lead them to. Jeez... Sounds about the intellectual caliber of Ken Kay when he tells the media "they're all liars". Intellectual level equals your age, Mr. Kay?...like about 50 or so?
We are apparently making a difference somewhere folks, or WWASPS wouldn't feel the need to counter-attack. Keep up the good work!
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---You know, Carey, you're not always my favorite person. You're a bit abrasive, and because I'm a bit abrasive myself, that flicks me on the raw.
But you're right on this one. All the programs are unregulated, and that very unregulated nature means that even a program that was good for Mary Sue's kid may have had a staff change and be abusive to your kid.
They're dangerous, full stop, and they need appropriate external regulation to shut bad residential treatment down and ensure the patients who actually need residential treatment get sound, quality care without the abuse.
If WWASPS really were the superior providers they claim to be, they'd *welcome* external regulation because it would weed out substandard competitors and guarantee both quality care and that patients whose problems are more suitable to outpatient treatment wouldn't be needlessly institutionalized.
That they appear to be fighting even the idea of regulation tooth and nail says everything about them that I need to know.
--- End quote ---
This is why endorsing any consultant or program is dangerous. All of these programs are unregulated and the childern who reside within them are at risk.
That is why if you are truely in it for the kids then you can not stand behind or beside those such as PURE who are in the business. The risk is inherent in all of these types of programs, even Sues.
What makes you think they, WWASP programs, are fighting the idea of regulation tooth and nail? Is there evidence of that. Are they actively lobbying legislators? All I see is them actively going after a competitor who is trying to profit off of their loss.
Carey:
That was me.
Anonymous:
Carey ,
I am sick and tired of you telling Fornits floks that Sue usesher associated and frinds to bash wwasp to promote PURE.That si such bullshit.
My son and family was mistreated and used by wwasp long before I ever hooked up with Pure website.
Because you have an issuse with Sue/Pure does not put us all in the same boat.
What have you done to enlighten the masses to help regulate these programs or deter parents from enrolling there kids?
Find a new song to sing or shut up.
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