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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #30 on: October 30, 2008, 07:18:53 AM »
Look everyone, Dewey Beats Truman!!

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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #31 on: October 30, 2008, 04:01:13 PM »
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The idea that Barrack is going to turn the country socialist is absurd, it is just time to start implementing policies that will help capitalism survive..

Capitalism will survive regardless.  It is a natural order of things.  It is government intervention, and yes the mistakes of certain corporations/businesses that cause problems.  Although it has been explained to me a few times by a few people why it was so necessary, I don t think the companies should have been bailed out in the first place.

 
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Anyone who is scared of Barrack because of Socialism is buying into a scare tactic...

I have followed all the debates, and did my own research.  I have come up with my own idea that Barack leans dangerously close towards communism/socailism.  Noone has scared me except Barack, his policies, and his history

 
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The truth is that things are not just black and white, there is balance. Capitalism is a self regulating system and it is telling us we need oversight before it implodes.

Is it a self-regulating system or not?  You can t have it both ways.  

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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
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Re: Wow, a giant douche is going to win
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2008, 11:46:54 AM »
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Why don't you like Obama?
He's a socialist...


Maybe so, but what we really need are social-anarchists!
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If you would have justice in this world, then begin to see that a human being is not a means to some end.  People are not commodities.  When human beings are just to one another government becomes obsolete and real freedom is born; SPIRITUAL ANARCHY.

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anarchy for the u.s.a.
« Reply #34 on: December 07, 2008, 10:07:56 PM »
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Maybe so, but what we really need are social-anarchists!
Aye, the Black FlaG of AnaRcHy!!
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #35 on: December 07, 2008, 10:36:48 PM »
Aye!... :poison: :peace: :poison:
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #36 on: December 07, 2008, 10:42:06 PM »
Only I don't want to be misrepresented here, I mean it.  Fuck all authority.  It is inherently false.
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #37 on: January 19, 2009, 11:43:22 AM »
Obama spends his day before inauguration helping to paint some walls inside a home for struggling teens in Washington DC.  Obama wants to let everyone know there will be no slackers on his watch.  Everyone needs to chip in and work together.  Notice all the windows have bars on them.
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #38 on: January 19, 2009, 01:52:29 PM »
It follows with his theme that we have become a country of slackers and very few people take accountability for their own lives.  A good place to start are with the youth of this country who have been notorious for not taking accountability for their own actions/lives.  They tend to blame their parents and authority figures for anything and everything  bad that bestows them.  Look around this web site, for example, and many others and you will see very little accountability for where they are today in their lives.  Most blame their families or staff at school.  Very few talk about how their actions helped to get them where they are today.  Visiting a home for struggling teens is a good place to voice this message and help to get kids back in control of their lives and responsible for the consequences.

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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2009, 02:06:16 PM »
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It follows with his theme that we have become a country of slackers and very few people take accountability for their own lives.  A good place to start are with the youth of this country who have been notorious for not taking accountability for their own actions/lives.  They tend to blame their parents and authority figures for anything and everything  bad that bestows them.  Look around this web site, for example, and many others and you will see very little accountability for where they are today in their lives.  Most blame their families or staff at school.  Very few talk about how their actions helped to get them where they are today.  Visiting a home for struggling teens is a good place to voice this message and help to get kids back in control of their lives and responsible for the consequences.

KathyS

Stick around then. You might change your mind.  I agree that the government should not be a nanny state.  I tend to believe that disreputable schools and the corrupt educational consultants who promote them are better held accountable by the public.  What your doing is blaming the victim.  In your mind, none of us here were ever abused in programs and we're 100% responsible for where we are in live today (regardless of how well we are doing).  This is an absolutist point of view that's not based in reality. If I punch you, are you responsible if you bleed?  People are neither powerless nor all powerful over their lives.  The truth is somewhere in the middle.

If you'd like to see some of my work, check out http://www.michaelcrawfordportfolio.com/ .  Download my resume if you feel like it.  As you can see, i'm no failure, and neither are many (if not post) on this site.  Many of us have succeeded in spite of the dire "dead in sane in jail" predictions of programs.
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2009, 03:26:08 PM »
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It follows with his theme that we have become a country of slackers and very few people take accountability for their own lives.  A good place to start are with the youth of this country who have been notorious for not taking accountability for their own actions/lives.  They tend to blame their parents and authority figures for anything and everything  bad that bestows them.  Look around this web site, for example, and many others and you will see very little accountability for where they are today in their lives.  Most blame their families or staff at school.  Very few talk about how their actions helped to get them where they are today.  Visiting a home for struggling teens is a good place to voice this message and help to get kids back in control of their lives and responsible for the consequences.

KathyS

Stick around then. You might change your mind.  I agree that the government should not be a nanny state.  I tend to believe that disreputable schools and the corrupt educational consultants who promote them are better held accountable by the public.  What your doing is blaming the victim.  In your mind, none of us here were ever abused in programs and we're 100% responsible for where we are in live today (regardless of how well we are doing).  This is an absolutist point of view that's not based in reality. If I punch you, are you responsible if you bleed?  People are neither powerless nor all powerful over their lives.  The truth is somewhere in the middle.

If you'd like to see some of my work, check out http://www.michaelcrawfordportfolio.com/ .  Download my resume if you feel like it.  As you can see, i'm no failure, and neither are many (if not post) on this site.  Many of us have succeeded in spite of the dire "dead in sane in jail" predictions of programs.

I am not calling everyone a loser.  Just that all the stories lack accountability.   I would think at some point, while telling everyone I pass that “Psy” punched me in the face and I feel abused, some one would ask why.  Does it matter that the reason you punched me was because I infected you with “Hepc” because I was pissed at you or exposed your best friend or family to used syringes which I left around the house for the kids to play with.  Did I deserve to be punched?  Maybe/maybe not.  No one seems to ever mention why they were sent to a program.  Does it matter?

Nice website, Michael.
I like the textures you placed on the gargoyle.  Did you extrude the base mesh using Maya?
It looks like you used the “horizontally tileable stone texture” from your texture section (bottom one)  or did were these from stock samples?  Either way it came out beautifully.  The topological space is also impressive.  I like that piece.
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2009, 04:28:04 PM »
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I am not calling everyone a loser.  Just that all the stories lack accountability.   I would think at some point, while telling everyone I pass that “Psy” punched me in the face and I feel abused, some one would ask why.  Does it matter that the reason you punched me was because I infected you with “Hepc” because I was pissed at you or exposed your best friend or family to used syringes which I left around the house for the kids to play with.  Did I deserve to be punched?  Maybe/maybe not.  No one seems to ever mention why they were sent to a program.  Does it matter?

Well there you have a point. But what If I punched you for no good reason at all? Just because I felt like it.  Such things do happen.  And similarly, kids do get sent to program for fallacious reasons.  There is no due process, unfortunately, and most programs are more than willing to accept a kid for reasons like "I think my son is gay" with no questions asked.  Similarly, many frightened parents are likely to exaggerate the problems in their teens as worse than they are based on slanted "tests" from schools and referral agencies.  The fact of the matter is it's natural for teens to rebel as they grow up.  It's natural for them to scare the crap out of their parents, and very few of those kids develop probems later in life, even the ones who not just use, but abuse drugs.

Besides.  Even if there was due process, does the treatment work, and even if it works, are the means justified (do the ends justify the means)?  WWASP's facility called "High Impact" in Mexico used to tie kids down in dog cages (there are photos of this and there was an inside edition exposé on it).  Do those means justify the ends, even if they do produce results?  And how long will those results, based on fear and coercion last?  Even "soft" coercion where no physical "abuse" is used but psychological and verbal abuse is plentiful... how long to the results of that treatment last?  There have never been any independent studies showing the efficacy of these facilities.  It's all based on anecdotal evidence and "studies" (marketing) performed by the facilities themselves claiming absurd success rates as high as 97%.

Another thing to think about. If I did indeed punch you for no reason at all, would that give you the right to punch me back?

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Nice website, Michael.
I like the textures you placed on the gargoyle.  Did you extrude the base mesh using Maya?

I created the base mesh in Blender 3d (I use Maya too, but tend to prefer blender).  It's poly by poly modeling.

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It looks like you used the “horizontally tileable stone texture” from your texture section (bottom one)  or did were these from stock samples?

I used one of my images.  I can't remember which one.  It's not tileable at all actually (just high frequency enough not to be able to notice the seams, which are hidden anyway).

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Either way it came out beautifully.  The topological space is also impressive.  I like that piece.

Thanks.
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2009, 05:10:59 PM »
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Well there you have a point. But what If I punched you for no good reason at all? Just because I felt like it. Such things do happen. And similarly, kids do get sent to program for fallacious reasons.
That is not right.
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There is no due process, unfortunately, and most programs are more than willing to accept a kid for reasons like "I think my son is gay" with no questions asked. Similarly, many frightened parents are likely to exaggerate the problems in their teens as worse than they are based on slanted "tests" from schools and referral agencies.
There are screening processes which prevent such things from happening.  Families are encouraged to seek local services and or have their child evaluated prior to seeking a boarding school.

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The fact of the matter is it's natural for teens to rebel as they grow up. It's natural for them to scare the crap out of their parents, and very few of those kids develop probems later in life, even the ones who not just use, but abuse drugs.
Absolutely

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Besides. Even if there was due process, does the treatment work, and even if it works, are the means justified (do the ends justify the means)?
The process does work if the right program is matched with the right child.
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WWASP's facility called "High Impact" in Mexico used to tie kids down in dog cages (there are photos of this and there was an inside edition exposé on it). Do those means justify the ends, even if they do produce results? And how long will those results, based on fear and coercion last? Even "soft" coercion where no physical "abuse" is used but psychological and verbal abuse is plentiful... how long to the results of that treatment last?
I am aware of this and it is appalling.  No one should be treated that way. I am glad that has stopped.

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There have never been any independent studies showing the efficacy of these facilities. It's all based on anecdotal evidence and "studies" (marketing) performed by the facilities themselves claiming absurd success rates as high as 97%.
I have seen some small sample size and short term studies which have been impressive.  I would like to see more studies done especially on the outcome of time vs effectiveness because I believe that no matter how successful or effect a program is there comes a point where being institutionalized takes over as a negative effect and cancels out any good that has been done.  Children cannot be away from  home for long periods of time and still maintain a healthy family bond and attachement.

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Another thing to think about. If I did indeed punch you for no reason at all, would that give you the right to punch me back?

Well,  that is tough for me to answer.  I don’t believe in hitting at all because I have never been able to define acceptable limits.  It is so individual.  I have a son who if I just raised my voice at him he would be greatly affected, and another son who would require a great deal of violence (via spanking) to be effected the same way.  So I think if you hit me I would have the right to respond.  Whether it be verbally or physically.  Since I don’t believe in physical violence I would respond with Verbally or legally if it continued.
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2009, 05:24:58 PM »
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There are screening processes which prevent such things from happening.  Families are encouraged to seek local services and or have their child evaluated prior to seeking a boarding school.

Maybe by some referral services / ed-cons / programs, but certainly not all.  Who are parents to trust?  How does a parent tell the difference?  Is it safe to choose at all with such danger?

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Besides. Even if there was due process, does the treatment work, and even if it works, are the means justified (do the ends justify the means)?
The process does work if the right program is matched with the right child.[/quote]

I am not against treatment if it is consented to.  I do, however, feel that any forced treatment is destined to failure.  This is evident in studies of court ordered treatment vs no treatment in a control group (Brandsma, et al).  Do you believe a child should have a choice in deciding whether to go to a program.  Do you agree with the practice of censoring communication (even for a short period, or "level one")?

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I have seen some small sample size and short term studies which have been impressive.  I would like to see more studies done especially on the outcome of time vs effectiveness because I believe that no matter how successful or effect a program is there comes a point where being institutionalized takes over as a negative effect and cancels out any good that has been done.

Absolutely.  Children can take on the identity of "troubled" and regardless of whether or not they had a problem before, they will after that.  In many cases, as i've said, kids grow out of their troublesome behavior.  Often it's just a case of finding healthy outlets for the desire to be independent (to separate from parents).
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Re: Wow, obama is going to win
« Reply #44 on: January 19, 2009, 05:57:48 PM »
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Maybe by some referral services / ed-cons / programs, but certainly not all. Who are parents to trust? How does a parent tell the difference? Is it safe to choose at all with such danger?
Parents really have to do some homework,work with local services.  There are some who trust the first person to come along and that is dangerous.
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I am not against treatment if it is consented to. I do, however, feel that any forced treatment is destined to failure. This is evident in studies of court ordered treatment vs no treatment in a control group (Brandsma, et al). Do you believe a child should have a choice in deciding whether to go to a program. Do you agree with the practice of censoring communication (even for a short period, or "level one")?
The child should be part of the process as much as possible, but the parents have the legal and moral duty to do what is best for their children.  
I feel that communication should be limited, but there should be access for emergencies.

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Absolutely. Children can take on the identity of "troubled" and regardless of whether or not they had a problem before, they will after that. In many cases, as i've said, kids grow out of their troublesome behavior. Often it's just a case of finding healthy outlets for the desire to be independent (to separate from parents).
That’s why it is very important to access the child before he/she is accepted into aprogram.  There is no sense in wasting a childs time and parents money if there is no real need.

It has been Good talking with you, Michael,  I have to run,talk to you later.  Didnt expect this conversation on fornits,no offense.
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