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Offline TheWho

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get the fuck out.
that's not the issue at all.there's already a template for tbs regulations.
no one is jumping to model it and programs
aren't lobbying for monitoring and regulation.

I think it was, the issue was licensing and why HLA is licensed only as a CCI.  I doubled checked the web site and the state of Georgia has a template for CCI, CPA,CCL and OCCP but nothing for a TBS.  I don’t think HLA would fit as a alcohol and drug rehab either.  It is good that there is a template for TBS regulation.  Which state(s) is that from?  If we could get this to the various states that do not have it (like Georgia) they may be more willing to put it in place and save them time from having to design it from scratch.

I wouldn’t expect any business to spend their own resources to have themselves monitored by an outside agency.  This needs to come from the state agencies, parents or the voters.
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Well, what exactly is a "Residential TREATMENT Center"?  And, how can Buccellato be allowed to advertise which such
misleading statements that clearly impy  REHAB along with all the other "cure alls".  It is ridiculous.
He now has 2 new adjunct Psyche people, as the last one ran for her life to protect her license.
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Well, what exactly is a "Residential TREATMENT Center"?  And, how can Buccellato be allowed to advertise which such
misleading statements that clearly impy  REHAB along with all the other "cure alls".  It is ridiculous.
He now has 2 new adjunct Psyche people, as the last one ran for her life to protect her license.


Many families would prefer a child to attend a treatment center that is a little more than just a hospital type environment without peers so “Residential centers” started coming into existence and then "Therapeutic Boarding Schools".  If kids have a problem which is clinical in nature and requires monitoring and ongoing adjusting doses to existing or newly prescribed medications then the child needs to be overseen by a practicing psychologist or professional in the field.  If the child has issues outside of this realm then the rehabilitation may not need the oversight of a professional psychologist.  These kids are there for a variety of reasons, but what they have in common is the need to be placed in a safe environment away from their at-risk lifestyle they had come out of.

I think what is at issue here is how should the RTC’s and TBS’s be regulated.  They don’t fall into any existing categories of licenses in which most states have a template for…  some kids may have I.E.P’s, others may not, some have drug problems, but maybe not addiction issues, some are from out of state others are not.  The kids are all at different places in their academic standing even if they are in the same grade because each state is different so this poses another challenge for the schools.

The word “Treatment” is wide open and can mean whatever the person using the word wants it to mean.  It does imply, however, that something is being done to cure or improve upon a preexisting condition,  but does not imply that it is done under the control of a professional medical person.  So it is important for parents to understand what specific treatment is being proposed for their child whether it be seeing a professional therapist every week or just being isolated from their past environment which was causing them harm or even as straight foward and benign as getting them on a regimented schedule of diet, academics and  healthy peer interactions.
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Re: Hidden Lake Academy-MountainBrookAcademy-RidgeCreekWildernes
« Reply #18 on: September 22, 2008, 08:07:53 AM »
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Nothing illegal is being done here.  Just because you do not like it, or agree with it, does not mean ORS can stop it from happening.  Buccellato can put up as many programs as he would like.  If something inappropriate is being done, the the proper governing agencies will take care of it.  Let it go man.  It's done.  HLA is moving on and will end up doing just fine, just with more oversight now.  That is what was really needed.

If you think that the only issue with this place is is the absence of oversight entirely, then you are truly delusional.  Obviously that is a problem, but a little more oversight isn't going to change it.  The entire foundation and ideology of the program is completely flawed and ineffective.  It's psychologically abusive.  There is no research behind the validity of it's therapeutic program actually helping people.  It does quite the opposite.  It's unconstitutional.  There are tons of studies, articles and books showing how the type of "therapeutic strategy" they employ does not work and is harmful.

They've been doing things that were quite illegal for a long time, and they've also claimed that nothing illegal is being done.  Hypothetically speaking, if they weren't doing anything technically illegal then that doesn't necessarily mean it's good, ethical, just or right.  Anyone who subscribes to this nonsense and continues to be apologetic and defensive for HLA is morally bankrupt.

Probably some of the worst advice I've heard in a long time: "if anything inappropriate is being done, the proper governing agencies will take care of it. Let it go. It's done."

Even when not talking about HLA, I think anyone with an IQ above 80 could see how that's ridiculous.  What fantasy world does this person live in?  Where the government is on top of everything and will be the moral force to jump in here.  If it were true that doing nothing would get people on this, then why did it take so long just to get anyone to even do a normal inspection?  If you had ever read a history book or knew anything about government you probably wouldn't have made such an assertion.  People have to make the changes.  The assertion that the government will help if inappropriate acts are being done is clearly refuted by looking at reality, or simply turning on the news (other than fox).  Would you make a claim like that to the many innocent people who were interrogated and tortured at Guantanamo Bay?  Or how about the spectacular work done by the government to investigate 9/11?  

You have no right to tell people who feel like they've been wronged and their basic human ignored  to just let it go.  People deserve justice.  More than that, kids there now or who could be sent in the future deserve our compassion to do something about it.
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