Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > Roloff
The Homes started by Lester Roloff
seamus:
Hellen Peterman of good ol' str8 fame hed knowlege of some of these programs. She told us how "bad " they were , but allthings are relative y' know.
hurrikayne:
The sad truth is that he knew of the weather conditions and got in that plane and took off anyway, with four passengers who all perished because of his utter hubris. The report is as follows:
--- Quote ---NTSB Identification: FTW83FA031
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Tuesday, November 02, 1982 in NORMANGEE, TX
Probable Cause Approval Date: 11/2/1983
Aircraft: CESSNA P210N, registration: N612J
Injuries: 4 Fatal.
A COMPANY PLT RECEIVED TWO WX BRIEFINGS FROM THE SAN ANTONIO FSS, ONE WAS AT ABOUT 1700 THE DAY BEFORE THE ACCIDENT & THE OTHER ON 11/2. AFTER EACH WX
BRIEFING THE COMPANY PLT BRIEFED THE PLT OF THE ACCIDENT ACFT. THE ACFT DEPARTED AT ABOUT 0835. AT 0953 THE PLT CONTACTED FLIGHT WATCH & WAS ADVISED OF
A CONVECTIVE SIGMET OF EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS. AT 1001 THE PLT REQUESTED & WAS CLEARED TO FL190. THIS WAS THE LAST RADIO CONTACT WITH THE ACFT. IN
FLIGHT SEPARATION OF THE WINGS, VERTICAL & HORIZONTAL STABILIZERS OCCURRED. THE ACFT PENETRATED A DENSE AREA OF THUNDERSTORMS WITH ACTIVITY UP TO
INTENSE (LEVEL 5) & PROBABLY ENCOUNTERED SEVERE TURBULENCE. IN ADDITION THERE WOULD PROBABLY BEEN MODERATE TO SEVERE ICING IN RAIN SHAFTS WITHIN THE
THUNDERSTORMS AT THE ACFT'S FLIGHT ALTITUDE. THE 0817 WX BRIEFING WAS INADEQUATE IN THAT THE AREA FORECAST WHICH WARNED OF THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY
ENROUTE WAS NOT UTILIZED.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
FLIGHT INTO KNOWN ADVERSE WEATHER..CONTINUED..PILOT IN COMMAND
FLIGHT CONTROLS..IMPROPER USE OF..PILOT IN COMMAND
DESIGN STRESS LIMITS OF AIRCRAFT..EXCEEDED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
PREFLIGHT BRIEFING SERVICE..INADEQUATE..ATC PERSONNEL(FSS)
WEATHER CONDITION..THUNDERSTORM
WEATHER CONDITION..TURBULENCE(THUNDERSTORMS)
WEATHER CONDITION..ICING CONDITIONS
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Kim S:
--- Quote from: "hurrikayne" ---The sad truth is that he knew of the weather conditions and got in that plane and took off anyway, with four passengers who all perished because of his utter hubris. The report is as follows:
--- Quote ---NTSB Identification: FTW83FA031
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Tuesday, November 02, 1982 in NORMANGEE, TX
Probable Cause Approval Date: 11/2/1983
Aircraft: CESSNA P210N, registration: N612J
Injuries: 4 Fatal.
A COMPANY PLT RECEIVED TWO WX BRIEFINGS FROM THE SAN ANTONIO FSS, ONE WAS AT ABOUT 1700 THE DAY BEFORE THE ACCIDENT & THE OTHER ON 11/2. AFTER EACH WX
BRIEFING THE COMPANY PLT BRIEFED THE PLT OF THE ACCIDENT ACFT. THE ACFT DEPARTED AT ABOUT 0835. AT 0953 THE PLT CONTACTED FLIGHT WATCH & WAS ADVISED OF
A CONVECTIVE SIGMET OF EMBEDDED THUNDERSTORMS. AT 1001 THE PLT REQUESTED & WAS CLEARED TO FL190. THIS WAS THE LAST RADIO CONTACT WITH THE ACFT. IN
FLIGHT SEPARATION OF THE WINGS, VERTICAL & HORIZONTAL STABILIZERS OCCURRED. THE ACFT PENETRATED A DENSE AREA OF THUNDERSTORMS WITH ACTIVITY UP TO
INTENSE (LEVEL 5) & PROBABLY ENCOUNTERED SEVERE TURBULENCE. IN ADDITION THERE WOULD PROBABLY BEEN MODERATE TO SEVERE ICING IN RAIN SHAFTS WITHIN THE
THUNDERSTORMS AT THE ACFT'S FLIGHT ALTITUDE. THE 0817 WX BRIEFING WAS INADEQUATE IN THAT THE AREA FORECAST WHICH WARNED OF THUNDERSTORM ACTIVITY
ENROUTE WAS NOT UTILIZED.
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable cause(s) of this accident as follows:
FLIGHT INTO KNOWN ADVERSE WEATHER..CONTINUED..PILOT IN COMMAND
FLIGHT CONTROLS..IMPROPER USE OF..PILOT IN COMMAND
DESIGN STRESS LIMITS OF AIRCRAFT..EXCEEDED..PILOT IN COMMAND
Contributing Factors
PREFLIGHT BRIEFING SERVICE..INADEQUATE..ATC PERSONNEL(FSS)
WEATHER CONDITION..THUNDERSTORM
WEATHER CONDITION..TURBULENCE(THUNDERSTORMS)
WEATHER CONDITION..ICING CONDITIONS
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What the F**** You want to complain about your experience... go ahead... I have them too! You do not know my friends that died and your use of them to make your claims feel realistic PISSES ME OFF! YOU did not know Enola, Sue, or Cheryl, or even Elaine (which I did not know personally), so posting this about their death is what? Make you feel better? Why? Roloff was a good pilot and find me where he did anything different than the others. I am sorry for your shit, and you have been right about a lot of stuff, but bitch about the shit you know.. do not pull my friends, my dead friends, into your bitching!
hurrikayne:
--- Quote from: "Kim S" ---What the F**** You want to complain about your experience... go ahead... I have them too! You do not know my friends that died and your use of them to make your claims feel realistic PISSES ME OFF! YOU did not know Enola, Sue, or Cheryl, or even Elaine (which I did not know personally), so posting this about their death is what? Make you feel better? Why? Roloff was a good pilot and find me where he did anything different than the others. I am sorry for your shit, and you have been right about a lot of stuff, but bitch about the shit you know.. do not pull my friends, my dead friends, into your bitching!
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1. This was a presentation of facts. I'm sorry they are painful to you.
2. No, I couldn't have known those girls, which is why my only comment was to state that Lester Roloff's hubris killed them.
3. What Roloff did that other 'good pilots' just like him did, was to disregard weather warnings and fly anyway.
If Lester Roloff was a "good pilot", I don't want a good one. I want a fucking fabulous pilot. One who won't get me killed.
Che Gookin:
--- Quote from: "hurrikayne" ---
--- Quote from: "Kim S" ---What the F**** You want to complain about your experience... go ahead... I have them too! You do not know my friends that died and your use of them to make your claims feel realistic PISSES ME OFF! YOU did not know Enola, Sue, or Cheryl, or even Elaine (which I did not know personally), so posting this about their death is what? Make you feel better? Why? Roloff was a good pilot and find me where he did anything different than the others. I am sorry for your shit, and you have been right about a lot of stuff, but bitch about the shit you know.. do not pull my friends, my dead friends, into your bitching!
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1. This was a presentation of facts. I'm sorry they are painful to you.
2. No, I couldn't have known those girls, which is why my only comment was to state that Lester Roloff's hubris killed them.
3. What Roloff did that other 'good pilots' just like him did, was to disregard weather warnings and fly anyway.
If Lester Roloff was a "good pilot", I don't want a good one. I want a fucking fabulous pilot. One who won't get me killed.
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The only Lester should have been piloting is a prison cell, for about 30 years. I bet that would have been fucking fabulous.
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