Treatment Abuse, Behavior Modification, Thought Reform > The Troubled Teen Industry
Chris/Ryan/Tim...Coldwater
Anonymous:
--- Quote ---On 2003-07-29 05:57:00, Carey wrote:
We have "survivors" of a WWASP program backing a FICTION film. Openly backing a fiction film. A jury might ask, do they know fact from fiction?
--- End quote ---
A defense attorney would not attempt to a cross examine a plaintiff about their support of a fictional film "anything," as that would be objected to as irrelevant.
You need to decide what you're protesting here, Carey. Now it's okay for Coldwater to be fictional as it might close other bootcamps, but it's still bad because it's not about WWASP? How do you know it's not based upon WWASP? Have you read the script? Regardless, you still won't acknowledge the fact that the producers are doing a NON-FICTION documentary, which WILL be about WWASP and others. What can you find wrong with that? I anxiously await your response.
Carey:
Why it is ok to do a documentary with out the risk of slander? Why can't the movie be done just the same?
If it is ok to tell the truth in a documentary with the DVD release, then why can't the movie be done as true to life?
If it is about WWASP,
yet promoted as FICTION
AND
endorsed by "survivors" of WWASP programs,
then what are you saying,
that the survivors are making up a story to sell the movie? I believe that is exactly what a lot of people will think. I find what is happening in these places to be unbelievable.
You can't have it both ways. Is it FACT or is it FICTION? If you want to be a part of a fictional movie about 'bootcamps" go ahead. But then when you give your testimony about your experience, don't be surprised if people don't believe you.
But I will ask you this once again, why is it that a documentary can be done and attached to the DVD with out the risk of slander? Why can't the movie be done, not as fiction, without the risk of slander. Is it because it would not be as exciting? Why?
I still question how all of this came to play. Your trips to Casa, Ryan's release from Casa in which Sue played a part, Tim getting word of Casa etc. The movie was in the works first, then the news broke. It just goes along with your willingness to endorse fiction.
Deborah:
Carey,
I've following this discussion and theoretically agree with you. In a perfect world, fact would be fact and fiction would be fiction. We don't live in that perfect world.
We do live in a world where the majority of people know and understand that many truthful accounts are presented as fiction. The writer/producer wants to be able to "embellish" where they like.
Personally, I don't put much weight on this movie, or any documentary based on fact, shutting down the industry. Or making any significant difference. It's just not going to happen that way. There's too much politics involved. Most people will watch it (even a factual documentary), say "how terrible" or "the kid must have deserved it", then go back to their apathetic lives. This is not the basket to put our eggs into.
It's not realistic, from my perspective to expect so much of this one piece of entertainment. Yes, entertainment, it's a movie, provocative, but a movie.
I visited a message board and read young people's thoughts and interests about this movie. They don't have a clue what it's about. They don't know about WWASP or how many of these places actually exist. They are interested in other aspects of the movie and will see it because they appreciate the producer.
And, it's not the producer's responsibility to depict the truth and expose all the horrors of WWASP. I find it admirable that they will honor the teens who have died and that they provide links at the movie webpage. That alone will raise a few eyebrows and may cause people to do a little surfing to find out more. Surely those who do will stumble upon this message board, or a similar one. THEN, they can read real life accounts.
As to the testimony. No one can predict how that will go. Your fears are valid to the point that the judge may be ignorant. Let's hope for the best. Personally, I can't imagine why someone involved in a lawsuit would purposely take any action that would harm the case, further that their attorney would allow such.
If you are beating around the bush trying to expose that there are some shady dealings then perhaps you should just speak your imaginings. I get the feeling that you may be privy to inside information that you are only hinting about, or posing questions about in hopes that someone else will do the research to prove your imaginings.
I highly respect you. When I read that you broke your kids out of Dundee, I saved the article, even posted it here. You became one of my heroes (and still are) and stood out as a brave example to other parents. My hope for you is that you are able to put this on the back burner and wait to see what the final outcome is, put your attention elsewhere. Or investigate, dig deeper and present some facts that support your imaginings. (I don't mean imaginings in a negative way- we all imagine possibilities, everyday) Honestly, I still remain a bit confused and have a couple of times questioned why you were so consumed with this issue and the fact that it will be fictional.
The point that we live in a world that is less than perfect has been established, and that this movie will not be the "saving grace" for those still incarcerated. No sense to continue beating a dead horse. My greatest fear is that you, one of the staunchest allies in this effort, will loose credibility because you are so defensive about this issue.
With genuine respect,
Deborah
Carey:
Thanks Deborah. I respect your opinion and value your support.
I do know things that others don't and I have had dealings with some invovled that lead me to question the topic that I have addressed. The problem is, I can not share it on this public board. At least not at this time.
I agree with you, enough said.
Deborah:
Thanks for validating my imaginings. It all makes sense now. Not everyone knows all you do and it is difficult for folks to get behind and support someone if they don't have the full picture. And, it's easy for folks to draw wrong conclusions when the issue is continually debated, without all the pertinent info.
I look forward to the time when all the FACTS you know can be exposed.
Deborah
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