AARC Summary (i.e. Ajax)

[Anonymous]

I think it's time the straight inc. forum was renamed Ajax's Flamewars featuring  TheWho

[Anonymous]

Ajax lives here!

Can you prove that?  How do you know he is not a US citizen?

His name is Greg Elliot and he lives in Alberta . He has posted on other web pages, giving his name and spewing the same drivel .

[Anonymous]

Psy, If that really is AARC they have a legitimate beef.  It is clear that you are not able to see both sides of the issue.  Imagine if you owned a construction business you are trying to make successful and you had someone questioning your ability publically.  Even though you have a degree, they questioned whether or not you ever attended class.  They attacked your school saying it was unaccredited when it in fact was.  Telling people that the house you built for him fell down.  This person made up lies about the health of your employees and their spouses, placing this information on the internet.  Tried to discredit you thru manipulating your published statistics of success and trying to discredit the people who conducted and put together the numbers.

On top of all of this, this person refused to reveal themselves choosing to cower in the shadows instead of discussing their concerns face to face.  

Wouldn’t you want to talk to this person?



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I can assure you AARC has nothing to do with THIS!!!  . What Vinny/Ajax writes on this blog is the least of his worries. However, as I have said - AARC is focused on their business and Vinny is just an obsessed moron. Whether AJAX is both his wife and Greg Elliot writing in here,  is not really important. THey are both spreading lies and the point of coming here is to challenge them on them. SO IF by chance anyone seeking help from AARC or has had help from AARC who has been referred here by sick individuals, they will see that what he/they say is not fact and that others writing here MIGHT just know some facts. ALso, if there were as many rapes as these people including one deranged parent likes to say then why the hell haven't they brought formal charges and why the hell hasn't the treatment population been contaminated as would definitely be the case?
AARC would NOT be expanding if what psy/ajax/sick wife say is true. i can guarantee you that. BUT they ARE and more and more people nationally and internationally are bringing their kids to AARC because they are successful. There will be more studies by interested addiction specialists because they are getting too well known now. and what the hell is AJax going to do then. Run down all those people and claim connections to AARC, he will have a hell of a hard time. They will be turnig up at AARC's door because they will want to know why it is so successful and AARC won't be turning them away.  So chew on that for awhile 'psy' and 'Vinny'.

[Froderik]

Any program based on and/or derived from Straight Incorporated's "Large Group Awareness Therapy" brand of Tough Love has got to suck, in many ways and for many reasons; it's pretty much a given! Straight knew how to fuck up kids and their families for years and sometimes forever.

[psy]

Ajax lives here!

Can you prove that?  How do you know he is not a US citizen?

His name is Greg Elliot and he lives in Alberta.

Prove it. (this means what evidence you have and how you can definitively tie the fornits poster "Ajax13" to this "Greg Elliot" fellow.)

See this post:
posting.php?mode=quote&f=7&p=313587#pr313530

See...  What really sucks for AARC trying to identify who said what is that there are (shock horror)  MORE THAN ONE persons complaining about your shitpit.  Pinning it all on Ajax in an attempt to demonize him and make an "example" of him in the hopes it will scare others WILL fail.  All it will do is piss others off, self included.  You get rid of him, you'll find me as a regular in his stead.  You can't win this through intimidating people into silence, AARC.  Let Ajax present his allegations/evidence and you present yours.  Let the public decide.

[Anonymous]

Ajax lives here!

Can you prove that?  How do you know he is not a US citizen?

His name is Greg Elliot and he lives in Alberta.[/quote]
Prove it. (this means what evidence you have and how you can definitively tie the fornits poster "Ajax13" to this "Greg Elliot" fellow.)

See this post:
http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/posting.ph ... 7#pr313530

See...  What really sucks for AARC trying to identify who said what is that there are (shock horror)  MORE THAN ONE persons complaining about your shitpit.  Pinning it all on Ajax in an attempt to demonize him and make an "example" of him in the hopes it will scare others WILL fail.  All it will do is piss others off, self included.  You get rid of him, you'll find me as a regular in his stead.  You can't win this through intimidating people into silence, AARC.  Let Ajax present his allegations/evidence and you present yours.  Let the public decide.[/quote]

Psy, ARE you just a LITTLE co-dependent.   :rasta:   AND ooooh, you are such a scary dude . .  you got me just shakin in my boots, psy.  
you make another error assuming that AARC people are responsible for trying to identify people online and whatever else. There are some people who come on here and challenge you because they support Vause and what he does. Doesn't mean they work at AARC or have been a client. They just know alot about the place, Vause and know people from the community over the years and have seen the success stories coming out of there. Vause has lots of friends as a result of the people he has helped. They happen to have alot of respect for AARC and Vause. I think people from AARC quit visiting here a long time ago because they are aware of the outlandish crap posted and know where it comes from and they are more concerned with focusing on what they do rather than a tiny few who can't get over themselves. You included , psy

oh where oh where has little AJAX gone, oh where oh where can he be  LOL

 some one has nailed it on who he/they are. he left a trail  . . .

[Anonymous]

you make another error assuming that AARC people are responsible for trying to identify people online and whatever else.

Who else would care what Ajax wrote about AARC to the point of identifying and silencing him?

What's it to anyone else BESIDES AARC & Affiliates?

[TheWho]

Interesting how the situation gets turned around so easily and now AARC is the bad guy.  I have watched for the last several weeks as Ajax slandered and libeled AARC from the shadows of an assumed name.  If he had any sincerity at all he would have attempted to get his answers from AARC themselves.  Now that AARC wants to know who he is all of a sudden they are the “evil one”. Ha,Ha,Ha

Look at this a different way.  Suppose you had someone spreading lies about you.  Telling people your professional degree was invalid and acquired from an unaccredited school (when in fact it was accredited).  Telling people your friends and family members had diseases or addiction issues (when they did not).  This person acquired an alias and went on line and started posting this information also.  Wouldn’t you be a bit curious as to who this person is and why they have never contacted you personally?  Would you be considered the “Evil one here?

A little different when you put it in perspective.  People want to hate programs so much here that facts really don’t play a big part in it anymore.



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[Anonymous]

Interesting how the situation gets turned around so easily and now AARC is the bad guy.  I have watched for the last several weeks as Ajax slandered and libeled AARC from the shadows of an assumed name.  

How do you know that what Ajax is saying isn't true?  You admitted that you have no knowledge or experience with or about AARC.

If he had any sincerity at all he would have attempted to get his answers from AARC themselves.

How delusional do you have to be to think that they'd give honest answers??


 

Now that AARC wants to know who he is all of a sudden they are the “evil one”. Ha,Ha,Ha

Now you're catching on!!  AARC simply cannot and will not tolerate dissent.

Look at this a different way.  Suppose you had someone spreading lies about you.  Telling people your professional degree was invalid and acquired from an unaccredited school (when in fact it was accredited).

it may be now, but it wasn't at the time that Vause "attended".  Ajax is not spreading lies.....he's speaking the truth and AARC can't deal with it.

 Telling people your friends and family members had diseases or addiction issues (when they did not).

Oh, that's rich!!!!!!  Taht's AARC's modus operandi.  That's how they stay in business.


 

This person acquired an alias and went on line and started posting this information also.  Wouldn’t you be a bit curious as to who this person is and why they have never contacted you personally?  Would you be considered the “Evil one here?

A little different when you put it in perspective.  People want to hate programs so much here that facts really don’t play a big part in it anymore.

Fuck you.  The FACTS are that AARC is a DIRECT descendant of Straight and KIDS.  Vause was trained by Newton and followed Newton's model for "treatment" precisely.  Down to the phases, oldcomers, beltlooping, lingo, 'host' homes etc.  It's NO DIFFERENT from Straight and Straight was forced to close in EVERY STATE THEY OPERATED in because of abuse.  Personally, I'm glad to see Vause/AARC finally getting their comeupance.  It's about fucking time Straight was closed for good.

[Anonymous]

Psy, If that really is AARC they have a legitimate beef.  It is clear that you are not able to see both sides of the issue.  Imagine if you owned a program you are trying to make successful and you had someone questioning your ability publically.  Even though you have a license, they questioned whether or not your staffers overseeing the patients have any education beyond GED's.  They attacked your school saying it was unaccredited when it in fact was (BY NATSAP).  Telling people that the kids you treat relapse of suicide shortly after release.  This person made up lies about the credentials of your employees based on documents and evidence you tried to bury, placing this information on the internet.  Tried to discredit you thru manipulating your published statistics of success by pointing out the gross fabrications in them  and trying to discredit the people who conducted and put together the numbers by showing they lied.

On top of all of this, this person refused to reveal themselves choosing to cower in the shadows instead of discussing their concerns face to face.  

Wouldn’t you want to talk to this person?  

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go back to cowering in the shadows.  Scout's honor.



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Why are you here?  Isn't Aspen your drug....er, program of choice?

[TheWho]

How do you know that what Ajax is saying isn't true?

Because if you bother to go back and read you will see it was pointed out where his information was in error but he choose to post the lies instead of the truth.  His choice not anyone elses.  Why state a school is unaccredited when the facts state that it is?  Why diagnose people with diseases?  If everyone feels this is wrong why do it yourselves?  Why not make an honest attempt to get factual answers instead of posting lies and half truths?

It is bazaar behavior and doesnt make sense, I believe most people would agree with this.



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[Anonymous]

How do you know that what Ajax is saying isn't true?

Because if you bother to go back and read you will see it was pointed out where his information was in error but he choose to post the lies instead of the truth.

Please provide a link to those posts of his.

 Why state a school is unaccredited when the facts state that it is?

Wait, AARC says it's NOT a school.  AJAX was saying that Vause's credentials were questionable.  That's absolutely true.

 

Why diagnose people with diseases?  

I dunno.  You'd have to ask AARC and Vause that question.

It is bazaar behavior and doesnt make sense, I believe most people would agree with this.

Yes.  I imagine that people posing pointed questions about the quality of care provided at these facilities does seem bizarre to you.

[TheWho]

Please provide a link to those posts of his.

As Ajax would say:  The answer is in this forum somewhere, go find it!!  Nice and forthcoming wasn’t he.  Helped with the critical thinking skills.

Wait, AARC says it's NOT a school. AJAX was saying that Vause's credentials were questionable. That's absolutely true.

Call union institute and find out for yourself or check their web site.  We have been over this.  It is an accredited school.

I dunno. You'd have to ask AARC and Vause that question.

But see that is the twisted logic here.  Ajax made the statement Ha,Ha,Ha, why ask AARC for the answer?  Ajax was asking everyone but AARC for answers that could have been easily answered by them.

Yes. I imagine that people posing pointed questions about the quality of care provided at these facilities does seem bizarre to you.

No, look at my last response above.  Expecting AARC and Vause to answer questions about Ajax’s statements.  That is bazaar.  We should try to direct the questions to those who have or have access to the answers.  You have fallen into the same illogical trap.



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[Anonymous]

Please provide a link to those posts of his.

As Ajax would say:  The answer is in this forum somewhere, go find it!!  Nice and forthcoming wasn’t he.  Helped with the critical thinking skills.

In other words, you can't.  That's ok.  Just admit it though.

Call union institute and find out for yourself or check their web site.  We have been over this.  It is an accredited school.

But even the AARC supporters are saying its NOT a school.  

But see that is the twisted logic here.  Ajax made the statement Ha,Ha,Ha, why ask AARC for the answer?  Ajax was asking everyone but AARC for answers that could have been easily answered by them.

Christ, you're getting lost in your own bullshit now.

No, look at my last response above.  Expecting AARC and Vause to answer questions about Ajax’s statements.  That is bazaar.  We should try to direct the questions to those who have or have access to the answers.  You have fallen into the same illogical trap.
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Who is this "we" you're talking about?  Aren't you an Aspen supporter?  Expecting AARC or Vause to answer pointed questions about either Vause's academics or AARC's "treatment methods" is out there.  I mean, REALLY out there.  Any criticism is automatically dismissed as coming from "disgruntled" former patients (or clients, or students or whatever they're calling them...it seems to change to fit the needs of the discussion), druggies, legalization proponents, sick people or any other derogatory label they can place on them to try and discredit what they have to say.  


Go back to Aspen Who.  You know NOTHING of AARC/Straight/KIDS etc.


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[TheWho]

But even the AARC supporters are saying its NOT a school.

See this was the same issue ajax had.  Just google Union institute and you will see it is an accredited school

See this is the whole issue.  It goes round and round with this one said this, that one stated something else.
Direct your questions towards those who have the answer  i.e. AARC, Hazelden, Union institute.  Then you can bring the information back to fornits and share it here.  But to ask questions here on fornits about universities credentials and thoughts that the director of Hazelden had when conducting studies is bazaar.



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