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TheWho:
Why all the negativity on Anecdotal data? I agree that there are better forms of data collection and presentation, but in the absence of long term controlled studies, anecdotal evidence is acceptable, revealing and educational.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---Why all the negativity on Anecdotal data? I agree that there are better forms of data collection and presentation, but in the absence of long term controlled studies, anecdotal evidence is acceptable, revealing and educational.
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Why so positive about anecdotal evidence? It's the absence of long term controlled studies that makes the industry look like the shabby puppy mill it is. How come there hasn't been a long term study in over twenty years?
TheWho:
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--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---Why all the negativity on Anecdotal data? I agree that there are better forms of data collection and presentation, but in the absence of long term controlled studies, anecdotal evidence is acceptable, revealing and educational.
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Why so positive about anecdotal evidence? It's the absence of long term controlled studies that makes the industry look like the shabby puppy mill it is. How come there hasn't been a long term study in over twenty years?
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Well, I don’t take a real positive stand on anecdotal data, but in the absence of any other it can be very informative and better than nothing at all. It can help steer the ship and give one a sense for what is working and what is not. It can also pose a challenge to run statistical reports on some of the results.
Not sure why there hasn’t been any studies done… my guess is that it usually comes down to money. Longer term studies are expensive and if the schools cannot see a way to recoup their investment (short term) then most would not be willing to shell out the cash.
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Anonymous:
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---
--- Quote from: "HUNAN" ---
--- Quote from: "TheWho" ---Why all the negativity on Anecdotal data? I agree that there are better forms of data collection and presentation, but in the absence of long term controlled studies, anecdotal evidence is acceptable, revealing and educational.
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Why so positive about anecdotal evidence? It's the absence of long term controlled studies that makes the industry look like the shabby puppy mill it is. How come there hasn't been a long term study in over twenty years?
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Well, I don’t take a real positive stand on anecdotal data, but in the absence of any other it can be very informative and better than nothing at all. It can help steer the ship and give one a sense for what is working and what is not. It can also pose a challenge to run statistical reports on some of the results.
Not sure why there hasn’t been any studies done… my guess is that it usually comes down to money. Longer term studies are expensive and if the schools cannot see a way to recoup their investment (short term) then most would not be willing to shell out the cash.
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Money???? There doesn't seem to be a shortage of money for programs owned by Aspen, or UHS. I, and I alone, not "we", think you're rationalizing.
TheWho:
--- Quote ---Money? There doesn't seem to be a shortage of money for programs owned by Aspen, or UHS. I, and I alone, not "we", think you're rationalizing.
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It is more, return on investment, vs just money. If by funding a longer term study the schools felt it would help grow the industry or benefit the conditions or model for the kids then it would be in process. But why fund something that may not benefit anyone (in their eyes).
You don’t have to guess whether or not I am rationalizing… this is a discussion and it is speculation on my part. Neither one of us knows the answer.
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