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Coldwater the Movie
METALGOD8:
Carey, I would like to state my opinion about this fiction/real life thing. In order to have a movie that is not fiction, I believe ALL footage would have to take place inside one or more of these programs or camps. I think that any other form of filming would be considered fiction legally speaking. This film is based on a true story and actual events. I doubt if most people are too worried about fiction/non-fiction. When they hear about the movie, they will be interested in watching it. They will also be in shock when they leave the theater.
MG8 :smokin:
Carey:
I, in some ways understand what you are trying to say and I respect your opinion. But so you will know, it is more than just the fact that the story is being told as though it were fiction. It is much, much more than that.
Don't you wonder how the press was turned on to this topic. Mere coincidence. I don't think so. I think that this movie was already in the works and the media was used to help to sell it.
These are my thoughts and opinions and I have reasons for believing this is what happened. Could I be wrong, maybe, but I don't think I am.
spots:
I have had limited contact with Ryan, thanking him for appearing in the NYTimes article. His personal response to me was surprisingly kind, adult, and grateful for my thanks. His spelling was atrocious, but, whatever. He is also quite religious...obviously comes from a religious family, which may have contributed to their exasperation with his "16-year-old-ism" (just a guess). If his personal experience can enhance a movie made for entertainment, I feel it cannot hurt the cause. To so many people who inquire about my grandaughter at Casa by the Sea, I usually say, "You know, the one in People magazine", since that is more effective to the majority of folks than "You know, the one on the front page of the New York Times". The Times and other intellectual avenues have their powerful place; the mass media such as People and a movie can also enlighten.
If it is fiction, so what? In this case, the truth is so much stranger than fiction that I find it hard to convince people of what I know is really happening. "Nahhh...that can't be". But see it as a movie, and lots of "less-intense" folks will remember and bad-mouth the situation. Can that be bad?
As for the class-action law suit, I don't believe Ryan is the principal (I know several others who are). The delay has been navigating the Mafia-like webs of ownership and responsibility of WWASP. The suit will file...trust me.
As for supporting WWASP and Flori Alvarado, this is such a stupid line of reasoning from our local WWASP pundit that I don't bother responding. Flori is evil, diamond ring or not. Why bother defending a minor player who is currently indictable in the country of her origin for cruelty, abuse, and torture? What does this supporter have to gain?
Antigen:
--- Quote ---On 2003-07-22 20:08:00, Carey wrote:
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Don't you wonder how the press was turned on to this topic. Mere coincidence. I don't think so. I think that this movie was already in the works and the media was used to help to sell it."
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Carey, it's my understanding that this is a teeny, tiny, independent filmmaker. I don't know that they have the kind of sway you're talking about here.
The media have been sniffing around the edges on this for a very long time. Rocky Mountain News has been on it for ages. Every year for the past 30 or so, these places crank out a few thousand more people who get it. Every year, there are more stories here and there. This went stellar, I think, because the NYT covered it prominently. If the movie producers were able to pique the interest of the NYT editors or just one journalist, I don't see a problem with that.
When an innocent Californian millionaire gets killed by a drug squad
trying to seize his house with a bogus search warrant, people better ask themselves if they really want to turn their cops into money-makers.
--Vancouver Police Const. Gil Puder
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Anonymous:
Spots - I'm not defending anyone, just looking at what's here and in the newspaper,etc. and stating my view. I am an optimist, so that's where I come from. I cannot overlook the fact that there are thousands of families that have been helped by what WWASP offers. The few that haven't been helped also have my attention. I see allegations of abuse, however, it comes from ex-students who didn't graduate. I never hear these stories from graduates. That means a lot to me personally. Your grandaughter's parents are not concerned and unless you raised an idiot, they have her best interests at heart. No child ever died in one of their schools from abuse, that also means a lot to me.
Carey - everyone has a different view on who they are entrusting their kids to. My personal view is that someone who has made poor life choices and then changes has a lot to offer. I know many former drug addicts (if that's the correct term) who are now helping kids in my community. I know that's a good thing. If you are truly wanting to help from your own inside experience, great. If it's heresay from your kids, I'm withholding my judgment as I don't know them.
I've read the stories in the NY Times, People and other articles and would like to hear more from those that were helped - which is the majority of families.
I see all the views on the subject of boarding schools, not just WWASP, but they are the most visible and the most successful, so they are the easiest target.
I acknowledge all the views here. Everyone is entitled to make a movie - and I do agree with Carey about the intentions.
As for Dundee Ranch. The jury is still out and I'm not a judge.
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