bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.

[psy]

Actually Zen the anon makes some valid points. It is creepy that people collect IPs. Wasn't aware psy did that, but it wouldn't surprise me.

I don't keep lists like that other Admin you referred to did.  If you have a problem, take it up with ginger, please.  People:  There are only two admins on this forum.  Me, and Ginger.  Neither of us have ever... ever... released a single IP address to anybody.  I take orders from her and follow them.  I just work here.  Stop blaming me for things that other admins might have done in the past.  Even the admin you refer to who kept the list only did it for her own organizational purposes, and only in the forum where he/she was already a moderator (a moderated forum).  Do you want to hurt Fornits, Che?  Do you have an agenda?  Is this personal?  Take it up with Ginger and stop trying to scare the forum populace if you have a problem with me.  Doing that just proves to me that you care more about your personal quibbles than the overall welfare of the forum.

Need I mention the time, before I became an admin, that You violated the forum's confidence, gave me TheWho's IP address, and told me to disseminate it (which I didn't).  This was when he posted in the facilities questions forum.  You are such a fucking hypocrite, Che.  Maybe Angela is right about you.  I keep wondering how Benchmark knew we were coming and why most of the kids were already gone when we got there.  I don't trust you anymore, Che.  You go around spreading lies about me and others.  Is it personal, or professional, Che?

when are you yahoos going to realize, he's here for one reason. to kill this forum. plan is going well, just a little behind schedule. or maybe not. what was it che? 6 or 8 month projection?
don't you notice how he highjacks other people's projects. critiques everything, any effort, as if he were Lord Fornits. runs people off who aren't in step with his protest plan being the only method to shutdown the industry. how lame. protesting isn't going to do jack shit in the big picture. but it keeps his ego inflated while he sits on his fat ass on the other side of the world dictating what everyone else should do, while he does jack shit except get drunk and chase scanky legged whores.

I keep wondering where he gets the money to be perpetually on vacation.

[Anonymous]

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics.  He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted. CCM spent four years locked away in programs - almost her entire adolescence - she has earned her right to an opinion on this industry without threats. Here is  yet another fornits moderator resorting to heavy handed tactics and threats to reform the discussion to their liking. Wonder why people feel unsafe posting here?

I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?

[psy]

Who, you are a really terrible liar...it's quite obvious that it's you. 

(I would've known this even without the three dots.)

Its eerie, I read it twice myself and maybe I do suffer from  MPD, It does sound like me and maybe it is a cut and paste from one of my older posts, but that post isnt mine.  I give permission to check the IP's on this thread and ID all my posts if you like.

OOH.. gladly, Whooter.  and why don't you log the fuck in for a change, or better yet, GTFO.

[psy]

Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!

That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and generally raised all sorts of hell. He called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins".  He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously...  Come on...

I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me.  I then looked closer and caught him lying about others...  I don't have to name names..  People are starting to figure this out on their own.

yeh, well he's got one admin to go, you. he wants no one to know what he does anon. let's take as an example, when he talks shit about regulars posting porn, glorifying himself as the only admin ever to delete porn, while all the time posting porn anonymously. he'd prefer no one be able to see his shady underside.
and always the same response. he won't dignify it with a response. put on the tin foil hat.
people should be figuring it out, but they may have to experience it first hand. just a matter of time. his MO is chaos, division, attack on those who won't follow him.

Bingo.  You hit the nail on the head, and you don't find any of this out until you oppose him on something.

[ZenAgent]

Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum.  Dont you have any boundaries?  Dont give me the crap that it was already public.  If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.

http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123

You notice I left a lot of blanks?

DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who.  Obviously.

Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread.  You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.

Share your "information".

Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.

I gave you what I have.  If I have any personal information I would not post it here.  I am not like you.

We all got the same information on you except you flipped out, cried foul and wanted the person banned for giving the information out.  I seems its okay to get background information on people as long as it isn’t yourself.

..

  You LIAR!

No, you're not like me, you post lies.  Hey, who?  By not logging in, you can't delete your posts, like the one where you asked for CCM's info.  So log in, you can clean up after yourself that way.  The mess you leave, honestly.

If I had your name and details, who...I'd post them. 

[Anonymous]

you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.

I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.

um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.

Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.

your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.

you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.

[ZenAgent]

CCM NAME REMOVED---, CCM HUSBANDS NAME REMOVED..., CITY REMOVED------, STATE REMOVED...You want me to keep going with this?  I will, but I consider it extortion.  You might want to check with your friend before you ask for more than she wants out there.

I'll delete this after you answer me...

Quoted for those who are unfamiliar with ZenAgent's tactics.  He is willing to reveal CCM's full name and husband's name, just because he is mad at TheWho and perceives CCM as TheWho's ally. I removed the names he posted. CCM spent four years locked away in programs - almost her entire adolescence - she has earned her right to an opinion on this industry without threats. Here is  yet another fornits moderator resorting to heavy handed tactics and threats to reform the discussion to their liking. Wonder why people feel unsafe posting here?

I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?

Because he asked for it:

Ah, trying to shame me into it Zen?  How about the info you have on CCM first.. it was you who spoke first.  Fes, up.
 :guesswho:

Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too.  But someone wants to whitewash it.  How KoolAid.

Once again:  who asked for it, I gave it.  Weasel!

Thanks for verifying I was right...I was only bluffing again. 

[Froderik]

I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?

Stupid question, Who... Next...

[Anonymous]

you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.

I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.

um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.

Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.

your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.

you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.

I am not under the false impression - delusion really - that kids in lock down programs are reading fornits. How could they? Your assumption that I want a "weary" kid to ruin their life is simply not accurate. It's your opinion, and I am glad you have the ability to post it. Do you speak for fornits? Of course you don't, and neither do I, so I do not need to qualify my statements with such a disclaimer, it would be pointless.

You think my comments are a waste of space - that's your opinion - however, I think they are relevant to this industry. If a kid is being abused, then they should do what they need to do to leave. If they are being abused, they will not be put in jail for doing what they deem necessary to escape. Unless you and other posters are exaggerating the abuse that occurs, then defending one's self is absolutely justified.

Are you suggesting kids just take the abuse and do nothing? That's what it sounds like. If a kid is physically assaulted, raped, or abused - they should not attempt to escape using any means necessary?  Should the kid take it up the ass while waiting for you, or psy, to show up for a one-day street side protest?

I do not communicate with che and have disagreements with him too. However, he has never threatened to hand my IP over to the authorities and then laughed about it.

[TheWho]

If I had your name and details, who...I'd post them.

I know you would, Zen.  Its called ethical strength.  I have it and you don’t.  I wouldn’t post information about anyone on the open forum.  It shows that you are weak and cannot defend yourself verbally or that you don’t have confidence in your position so you resort to flexing your muscles (lent to you by psy) and outing people who disagree with you.

It is often a test of courage used in business to see how people use their new found power and you failed.



...
 :guesswho:

[Anonymous]

Again, notice the blanks...I could have added last name, address, phone number, arrest record... I left all that blank, too.  But someone wants to whitewash it.  How KoolAid.

Once again:  who asked for it, I gave it.  Weasel!

Thanks for verifying I was right...I was only bluffing again. 

Arrest record? Did you pay to get a background check on CCM? Now THAT is the most creepy thing so far in this thread yet.

[Froderik]

you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.

I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.

um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.

Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.

your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.

you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.

I am not under the false impression - delusion really - that kids in lock down programs are reading fornits. How could they? Your assumption that I want a "weary" kid to ruin their life is simply not accurate. It's your opinion, and I am glad you have the ability to post it. Do you speak for fornits? Of course you don't, and neither do I, so I do not need to qualify my statements with such a disclaimer, it would be pointless.

You think my comments are a waste of space - that's your opinion - however, I think they are relevant to this industry. If a kid is being abused, then they should do what they need to do to leave. If they are being abused, they will not be put in jail for doing what they deem necessary to escape. Unless you and other posters are exaggerating the abuse that occurs, then defending one's self is absolutely justified.

I agree.

[ZenAgent]

If I had your name and details, who...I'd post them.

I know you would, Zen.  Its called ethical strength.  I have it and you don’t.  I wouldn’t post information about anyone on the open forum.  It shows that you are weak and cannot defend yourself verbally or that you don’t have confidence in your position so you resort to flexing your muscles (lent to you by psy) and outing people who disagree with you.

It is often a test of courage used in business to see how people use their new found power and you failed.



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I don't have admin status, paranoid delusional.  What people share in PM's and emails OFF the forums is a mystery to you, because you're a weasel.  Quit grasping at air for easy fixes.

Don't talk about what you have and what you don't...you don't even have a daughter who was in a program.  Weasel!

Where's the info you promised?  You have my permission...again...to post it all.

[psy]

you're clearly deciding and trying to convince others psy is "bad" for fornits. i can't see how you expressing your violent fantasies is "good" for fornits, fwiw.

I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.

um. maybe those who would promote violent acts that could land a kid in jail the rest of his life, should put that disclaimer in your signature line. good to clarify that you don't speak for fornits, as it were.

Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.

your chicken shit comments don't offend me. i just think they are a waste of space and not in kids best interest, unless spending a lengthy time in jail would be better than completing their private incarceration.

you and che tag teaming to get rid of psy? that's what it looks like from here.

Don't worry about those two.  Ginger knows wtf is going on and it really isn't an issue.  Trolls will be trolls.  I don't really care.  If people want to believe the bullshit... well.. it's their problem, but the full transcript of the incident in questiion is here.  Aaron... Aaron has gone off the deep end for the last time in my mind.

For those new to fornits: pretty much the only place that is moderated is the shoutbox (to keep TheWho / trolls from derailing the thing, since there is only one shoutbox).  At the same time, that moderation presents complicated legal issues...  To get to the point:  please do not post death threats or promotions of violence on the shoutbox.  Do that somewhere that isn't moderated by policy so it's your neck, not ours on the line (or better yet... don't do it at all).

[psy]

I just have one question. If TheWho was such a bad guy, why would he give two-shits if information about a program survivor is revealed?

So others don't feel safe.  His deal is to highlight it to scare... Like Frod said.. stupid question.