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Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Nihilanthic" ---1) a commentary is not a justification for or proof of the effectiveness of a program
2) a study showing potential does not mean that is is
3) given the vacuum of proof supporting TBS's and the fact that rights are completely stripped from the people inside who are held captive, incommunicado and with no ability to plead their case, have a day in court or ask for help, but that the apologists of programs cite such bullshit to support their side, I have to refute that.
4) given that there is no proof, after 30+ years of a huge industry existing to support what they do and their methods, I find it amazing anyone even tries to support them.
Only in America do terror detainees have more attention put on them then children who have not committed any crimes.
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If you look at the information and some of the findings you will see that what you say, Niles, isn't accurate. There was no mention of abuse in either account and the doors were wide open. There has always been this thought that the school were secretive.....the book and the study go a long way in dispelling that believe.
A portion from the study:
One hundred percent of parents and students that participated in this study said that they would recommend ASR to others…… My findings contradict the idea that making fundamental changes during late adolescence is nearly impossible (Loeber, 1991) and also dispel the myth that long-term treatment is detrimental to normal development. The most important finding of this study is that residential treatment for troubled adolescents has the potential to be extremely effective.
Here is a link:
What it takes to pull me through
The woman was a PhD candidate from Colgate University and performed an independent study of one of the Therapeutic Boarding schools.
Here is the link for anyone interested in the facts:
http://groups.colgate.edu/cjs/student_papers/2002/VShapiro.pdf
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TheWho:
--- Quote from: "Nihilanthic" ---
given that there is no proof, after 30+ years of a huge industry existing to support what they do and their methods, I find it amazing anyone even tries to support them.
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There is no proof that it is abusive or ineffective either.
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote from: "Sue-Sue" ---Despite what you may say, there are good programs. The trick is to be able to differentiate between the good ones and the bad ones. I have made a living doing just that.
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Show me a good program.
Show me ANY good program!
Nihilanthic:
--- Quote from: "SCION" ---
--- Quote from: "Nihilanthic" ---
given that there is no proof, after 30+ years of a huge industry existing to support what they do and their methods, I find it amazing anyone even tries to support them.
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There is no proof that it is abusive or ineffective either.
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The fact that we're here is sufficient proof for any rational person.
TheWho:
--- Quote from: "SCION" ---
--- Quote from: "Nihilanthic" ---
given that there is no proof, after 30+ years of a huge industry existing to support what they do and their methods, I find it amazing anyone even tries to support them.
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There is no proof that it is abusive or ineffective either.
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Yeah, that seems to be the big stickler point. Everyone here is asking for studies to be done but since there are not many out there then we have to go with what the opinions of past graduates and what the families have to say which has been positive with the exception of a few.
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