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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #15 on: February 18, 2008, 04:20:58 PM »
No, you've tried this before and failed miserably.  That is not an independent, clinical study.  That's a research paper written by a psych student.  We're asking for peer reviewed, long term, clinical RESEARCH.  Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #16 on: February 18, 2008, 04:37:49 PM »
Quote from: "Spew's scrote"
No, you've tried this before and failed miserably.  That is not an independent, clinical study.  That's a research paper written by a psych student.  We're asking for peer reviewed, long term, clinical RESEARCH.  Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Ha,Ha,Ha,  So you accept the stories of anon posters as fact without question... but discard Pulitzer prize authors and University studies?.... Hmmm you guys make it too easy... should I cry uncle?

Ya gotta love this place.


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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #17 on: February 18, 2008, 04:57:23 PM »
Quote from: "TheWho"
Quote from: "Spew's scrote"
No, you've tried this before and failed miserably.  That is not an independent, clinical study.  That's a research paper written by a psych student.  We're asking for peer reviewed, long term, clinical RESEARCH.  Why is this so difficult for you to grasp?

Ha,Ha,Ha,  So you accept the stories of anon posters as fact without question... but discard Pulitzer prize authors and University studies?.... Hmmm you guys make it too easy... should I cry uncle?

Ya gotta love this place.


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Gotta love your attempts at distraction.  Nobody is claiming that survivor stories are clinical studies or research.  They are survivor accounts.  You are claiming that a grad student's paper equals a clinical study.

Ha ha ha.  Moron.
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #18 on: February 18, 2008, 05:04:14 PM »
Quote from: "Spew's scrote"
Gotta love your attempts at distraction.  Nobody is claiming that survivor stories are clinical studies or research.  They are survivor accounts.  You are claiming that a grad student's paper equals a clinical study.

Ha ha ha.  Moron.

No distraction.. someone asked for evidence of studies being done and I provided the following:

Academy at Swift River allowed a study to be done by a phd candidate a few years back and then there was Dave Marcus who spent 16 months living at ASR following a peer group through the process and he wrote a book on his experiences there.  He won the pulitzer prize for another book he wrote.

Here is a link:
What it takes to pull me through

The woman was a phd candidate from Colgate University and performed an independent study of one of the Therapeutic Boarding schools.

Here is the link for anyone interested in the facts:

http://groups.colgate.edu/cjs/student_papers/2002/VShapiro.pdf


...and you have what?


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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2008, 05:15:28 PM »
Quote from: "TheWho"
Academy at Swift River allowed a study to be done by a phd candidate a few years back and then there was Dave Marcus who  schoolspent 16 months living at ASR following a peer group through the process and he wrote a book on his experiences there.  He won the pulitzer prize for another book he wrote.


He's also a paid consultant for the industry.  Objective?  I think not.

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The woman was a phd candidate from Colgate University and performed an independent study of one of the Therapeutic Boardings.


Like I said, she was a student working on a paper.  That does not an independent, peer reviewed, long term clinical study make.


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...and you have what?


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As soon as I start saying that these places work, you can ask me what I have.  TBSs are the ones claiming success, the burden to prove that falls upon them.

Why are these things so difficult for you to understand?
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #20 on: February 18, 2008, 05:29:35 PM »
Quote from: "Spew's scrote"


As soon as I start saying that these places work, you can ask me what I have.  TBSs are the ones claiming success, the burden to prove that falls upon them.

Why are these things so difficult for you to understand?

So it seems you cant say they dont work because you dont have any studies... but I have a few:


Academy at Swift River allowed a study to be done by a phd candidate a few years back and then there was Dave Marcus who spent 16 months living at ASR following a peer group through the process and he wrote a book on his experiences there.  He won the pulitzer prize for another book he wrote.

Here is a link:
What it takes to pull me through

The woman was a phd candidate from Colgate University and performed an independent study of one of the Therapeutic Boarding schools.

Here is the link for anyone interested in the facts:

http://groups.colgate.edu/cjs/student_papers/2002/VShapiro.pdf


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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #21 on: February 18, 2008, 05:33:15 PM »
Quote from: "TheWho"

So it seems you cant say they dont work because you dont have any studies... but I have a few:


No, you have no independent, long term, peer reviewed clinical research.  Dave Marcus is a paid industry consultant and Shapiro was a grad student.  I understand you're intellectually challenged, but surely even you can see the difference.
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2008, 05:59:57 PM »
Quote from: "Spew's scrote"
Quote from: "TheWho"

So it seems you cant say they dont work because you dont have any studies... but I have a few:


No, you have no independent, long term, peer reviewed clinical research.  Dave Marcus is a paid industry consultant and Shapiro was a grad student.  I understand you're intellectually challenged, but surely even you can see the difference.

Well I hear you but I dont see you posting any proof that TBS's are abusive or ineffective.. you seem to rely on anonymous posts to base your conclusions... do you have any studies to support you conclusions?

Here take a look at what I have:


Academy at Swift River allowed a study to be done by a phd candidate a few years back and then there was Dave Marcus who spent 16 months living at ASR following a peer group through the process and he wrote a book on his experiences there.  He won the pulitzer prize for another book he wrote.

Here is a link:
What it takes to pull me through

The woman was a phd candidate from Colgate University and performed an independent study of one of the Therapeutic Boarding schools.

Here is the link for anyone interested in the facts:

http://groups.colgate.edu/cjs/student_papers/2002/VShapiro.pdf



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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2008, 06:02:06 PM »
Do you think that if you just keep reposting the exact same shit, it will somehow become relevant?
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #24 on: February 18, 2008, 11:07:43 PM »
a) A book written by a survivor isn't a study anyway, so that's a misleading statement.

b) The study's outcome was inconclusive, it came down to her opinion that it could be beneficial, but as it was it was not, furthermore, she outlined abusive methods that they used.

c) WHAT positive outcome?
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2008, 07:16:06 AM »
thanks Who:
from the "independent study":
....For example, there is no borrowing of clothing, no retreating to the dorm rooms, no shirts without collars, no facial hair, no all black outfits, no wasting food, no frayed clothing, no eating outside of mealtime, no nail polish, no concert t-shirts, no feet on the furniture, no untied shoelaces, no hats indoors, no shorts with less than a five-inch inseam, no baggy clothing, no bare feet, no make-up, and no hemp or excessive jewelry. Violations are met with punishments such as: doing dishes, getting work projects on the weekends, reflective writing assignments, staring at yourself in the mirror for extensive b] periods of time, losing money at the school store, eating last, getting reading assignments, being put in isolation, mandating an “older” student to escort a “younger” throughout the day, sleeping on the floor in the night security office, a body search, or creating a written confessional list of your behavior violations and the violations of your peers...
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2008, 07:59:24 AM »
and also:
"My findings contradict the idea that making fundamental changes during late adolescence is nearly impossible (Loeber, 1991) and also dispel the myth that long-term treatment is detrimental to normal development. The most important finding of this study is that residential treatment for troubled adolescents has the potential to be extremely effective."
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2008, 08:47:37 AM »
Quote from: "daisy"
thanks Who:
from the "independent study":
....For example, there is no borrowing of clothing, no retreating to the dorm rooms, no shirts without collars, no facial hair, no all black outfits, no wasting food, no frayed clothing, no eating outside of mealtime, no nail polish, no concert t-shirts, no feet on the furniture, no untied shoelaces, no hats indoors, no shorts with less than a five-inch inseam, no baggy clothing, no bare feet, no make-up, and no hemp or excessive jewelry. Violations are met with punishments such as: doing dishes, getting work projects on the weekends, reflective writing assignments, staring at yourself in the mirror for extensive b] periods of time, losing money at the school store, eating last, getting reading assignments, being put in isolation, mandating an “older” student to escort a “younger” throughout the day, sleeping on the floor in the night security office, a body search, or creating a written confessional list of your behavior violations and the violations of your peers...

You are welcome Daisy, it is an interesting study.  Here are some more results:

The findings for positive adaptations are similarly optimistic. Parents believe that the social support they offer, and that the amount the child volunteers, has improved (p ? .01). Parents also think that the following areas have shown improvement (p ? .001):

the child’s grades and ease of learning,

the quality of peer relations and peer social support,

the child’s leadership skills and the child’s spirituality,

the relationships with both the mother and father,

the child feeling pleased with his or her own behaviors,

the parents feeling pleased with the child’s behaviors,

the communication and honesty in the family,

the amount of stress the family creates for the child,

the amount of stress the child creates for the family,

the degree to which the parent’s expectations of the child are fair,

and the child’s overall happiness.



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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2008, 06:39:00 PM »
So you're quoting a PARENT OPINION SURVEY to back up something that you were once calling a study?

So an inconclusive survey turns into a fucking consumer satisfaction survey? LOL.

Nice backpedaling. Really. Too bad a fucking survey can't justify what this place does.
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Re: Ranch For Adopted Kids Gone Wild
« Reply #29 on: February 19, 2008, 06:47:33 PM »
Quote from: "Nihilanthic"
So you're quoting a PARENT OPINION SURVEY to back up something that you were once calling a study?

So an inconclusive survey turns into a fucking consumer satisfaction survey? LOL.

Nice backpedaling. Really. Too bad a fucking survey can't justify what this place does.

No, same study, Niles.


Check out the second link.  You will see the items broken out near the end of the study.  Why dont you read it, Niles, and comment on the results instead of trying to beat up the authors?
Academy at Swift River allowed a study to be done by a phd candidate a few years back and then there was Dave Marcus who spent 16 months living at ASR following a peer group through the process and he wrote a book on his experiences there.  He won the pulitzer prize for another book he wrote.

Here is a link:
What it takes to pull me through

The woman was a phd candidate from Colgate University and performed an independent study of one of the Therapeutic Boarding schools.

Here is the link for anyone interested in the facts:

http://groups.colgate.edu/cjs/student_papers/2002/VShapiro.pdf



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