Author Topic: Fallen Flowers (Read 2154 times)

ajax13 · « **on:** February 15, 2008, 06:12:23 PM »

"The underlying assumption is that doctrine/ideology is ultimately more valid, true and real than any aspect of actual human character or human experience and one must subject one's experience to that "truth"
http://www.icsahome.com/infoserv_articl ... reform.htm

Here's a quote taken from a Master's Degree thesis in criminology at Simon Fraser:
"The program is noted to be especially effective at rehabilitating youths formerly involved in the sex trade:
"It's amazing-you grab a 13-year-old crack addict off the corner and she's spitting and screeching and swearing and less than a year later she's out giving a speech to some downtown businessmen's association," Belliveau (Calgary Police Constable) said (Vancouver Sun, January 23, 1999:C4)
http://ir.lib.sfu.ca/retrieve/2472/etd2076.pdf

This is a touching story, but it does not seem to jibe with reality. Here is DavidPablo Escobar-Grant's account of the lot of young sex-workers in AARC:
"Some of the girls went back to prostitution, and the parents would be desperate to get them back."
"If we found out where the girl was, the police would be notified, and if they couldn't get to them, the parents might go, supported by staff. There were some very tense moments and confrontations."
Apparently these girls chose to flee AARC rather than be subjected to the 12-Step evangelizing of Mr. Escobar-Grant and his colleagues.

While this is certainly only an anecdote, of the former adolescent sex-trade workers who spent time in AARC of whom I have knowledge, I don't know of any who had a successful outcome. As of last week, one was being treated in the Landon facility in Claresholm, having had her children apprehended due to her chronic drug use.

sicktomystomach · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2008, 09:47:38 PM »

At the risk of being picky, the facility in Claresholm is "Lander"

I guess this woman in particular would fall in the 15% that AARC wasn't able to "rehabilitate"

I'd be interested to hear of her experience at AARC, has she posted on fornits?

I was starting to think there were no others out there! What happens to the people who don't graduate and go on to work at AARC?

ajax13 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2008, 12:00:02 AM »

She has not posted on Fornits. Her treatment at AARC was disgraceful, and I am doubtful that she would speak about it at this juncture. There is no one at AARC now with any qualifications to deal with the traumatic experiences of a person from this situation. AARC long ago dispensed with any real social workers or psychologists, and they have never employed a psychiatrist.

sicktomystomach · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2008, 01:23:09 AM »

They may not "employ" a psychiatrist, but they have one who works with the program.

She consults the clinical staff regarding clients if requested.

ajax13 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2008, 03:39:55 AM »

As I said, they do not employ a psychiatrist in a faclity that purports to treat a chronic mental disorder.

Anonymous · « **Reply #5 on:** July 07, 2008, 05:01:33 PM »

ajax13 honey, you never have your facts straight!
Avery competent psychiatrist works closely with AARC on all clients
they also have masters trained psychologist in family therapy, addictions and clinical counselling. What else do you want - as I am sure you will continue to bemoan some aspect of the personnel.
there were over 1000 happy/content people at the ARRC stampede breakfast including very accomplished citizens and politicians from city, province and nationally. Some were ex-clients/family some not, just very supportive people that you could never relate to because . . .ahem . . . they are well adjusted contributing members of society.

ajax13 · « **Reply #6 on:** July 07, 2008, 10:40:14 PM »

There is no psychiatrist on the AARC staff. The clinical staff consists of, Natalie Oldcomer, Lyin' Brian Campbell and Gonewaydown Brown, all former clients who have spent their whole adults lives in AARC. Additionally, the Wizard's step-daughter Morganna Anderson is also a clinical staffer. These amateurs are all overseen by the Wiz, who is a former phys ed teacher with a mail-order PhD. None of these people is a licensed psychologist, nor are any of them registered social workers. The AARC nurse is an AARC parent. I am not sure how the number of marks attending a breakfast at a cult relates to false claims about providing drug treatment to teenaged prostitutes.

Anonymous · « **Reply #7 on:** July 08, 2008, 12:31:58 PM »

ooops - facts still not straight but you do try. yes there is a psychiatrist and all the staff you denigrate are trained professionals. Maybe you should go over there and ask some people that know who is on staff and treating those families. ya, go show your face there and confront them with all your misinformation and then come back and report to all the readers on this blog . . . . . if you had your facts straight that would not be a problem

ajax13 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 08, 2008, 11:22:18 PM »

No, there is no psychiatrist on staff at AARC.

Anonymous · « **Reply #9 on:** July 09, 2008, 06:39:11 PM »

yes there is . . . . better fire your fact checker. Plus a registered psychologist if that floats yer boat! not to mention the clincal's training.

Anonymous · « **Reply #10 on:** July 09, 2008, 06:49:02 PM »

Quote from: "friendly"

yes there is . . . . better fire your fact checker. Plus a registered psychologist if that floats yer boat! not to mention the clincal's training.

And their names would be?

Anonymous · « **Reply #11 on:** July 10, 2008, 02:43:59 AM »

Eight—Alcoholics Anonymous should remain forever nonprofessional, but our service centers may employ special workers.

ajax13 · « **Reply #12 on:** July 10, 2008, 01:41:12 PM »

No licensed psychologist on staff at All About Receiving Cash. Marty Haage used to see AARC prisoners until he disappeared like every other AARC staffer who was had some professional qualifications. Then Peter Choda started rubber-stamping AARC's amateur diagnoses. None of the former prisoners I know ever saw a psychiatrist while in AARC. In order to employ a psychiatrist, AARC would have to have a license as some type of medical or mental health treatment facility, which of course it does not have.

TheWho · « **Reply #13 on:** July 10, 2008, 02:20:47 PM »

Quote from: "ajax13"

No licensed psychologist on staff at All About Receiving Cash. Marty Haage used to see AARC prisoners until he disappeared like every other AARC staffer who was had some professional qualifications. Then Peter Choda started rubber-stamping AARC's amateur diagnoses. None of the former prisoners I know ever saw a psychiatrist while in AARC. In order to employ a psychiatrist, AARC would have to have a license as some type of medical or mental health treatment facility, which of course it does not have.

Ajax, anyone with even a little knowledge knows from reading your posts that you are full of shit and just trolling for attention. Prisoners within the United States have free access to licensed therapist and psychologists. You can pretend all you want but it is the law. Look it up.

ajax13 · « **Reply #14 on:** July 11, 2008, 11:05:54 AM »

So what you're saying is that AARC is a detention facility? I couldn't agree more. Problem is, it's sold to the public and to the parents as a drug treatment centre. But you are absolutely correct, it is a private unlicensed prison. It does not however, have a psychiatrist nor a licensed psychologist on staff.

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