Ban TheWho?

[Nihilanthic]

A while ago, TheWho was banned. Then, someone let him back. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.

As it stands now, he derails conversations, lies, manipulates, twists, and generally does everything a program has ever accused a child of doing. More specifically, he passive-aggressively (or even overtly) attacks and harasses posters, has mocked survivors for the 'laughable' abuse they went through, completely hijacks threads,  and after being debunked and proven wrong, he acts as if it all never happened, putting on a show for any newcomer to fornits so he can suck them in, make us look bad to the new person, and defend his industry (and paycheck) and maybe even send a child off to a program, all while speaking FOR his daughter about how 'good it all was' after his pet program and its attached wilderness breakdown camp got debunked months ago.

I reason that he's being nothing more than an agent provocateur, preventing discussion and forcing us to (repetitiously) address him, resorting to lies and bullshit to try to convince people of his employer's positions (and opinions) which are known to be false or simply nonsensical, and in general his presence is not adding anything to fornits or helping anyone in any way except for his employers.

Some say even if he is representing a program or the industry, it is still 'free speech' and that he is sucking in families and kids to the industry is acceptable as long as free speech is protected.

I'll let the posters cast their votes.

[Anonymous]

That "someone" who let him back was none other than Psy himself, one of his first major policy changes as admin. Since then, Psy has implemented other changes including but not limited to: outing the identities of posters, posting Internet Protocol Addresses (IP) of guests, threatening multiple posters with police action and bragging to one he could "get him arrested" whenever he wanted.

Psy is pro-censorhip and has the agenda of making this forum "safe for parents". TheWho is a parent maybe that's why he un-banned him despite protest. According to Psy, fornits would better serve the community as an advocacy group, rather than a bastion of freedom of speech related to the Troubled Teen Industry.  Fornits as it once was, is dead and dying. Struggling Teens 2 has since taken it place with Psy at the helm, and Ginger too cynical or bored to notice or care, can we really blame her?

Nihilanthic could care less about freedom of speech, having never been restricted of it himself in any meaningful way he does not understand how programs really work. He is as ignorant as TheWho as to the inner workins of programs, and just as misguided. He probably knows this is the third poll asking the same question, but the poor kid thinks this is actually "saving kids" some how. Find a new hobby Niles, you do the cause more harm than good.

[TheWho]

Bad move Niles.....  I think parents would rather hear the truth from me than have to put up with your pornography and Jewish hate sites (oh I am sorry, that’s parody to you).  You paint a picture of what you want to believe.  I have probably been responsible for derailing a few threads, but the rest is basically lies.

If I am banned, someone else will come along and hold everyone here accountable for what you say and try to add balance, play devils' advocate and generally work to keep the dialog honest.

If you ban me, be specific and hold others accountable to the same standard or your fight to retain free speech will be lost here and banning will become a common event every time someone disagrees with the majority or group think here.  I see it happening on the "Shout Box" and it won’t be long before the same mentality drifts into the main forum.


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[Anonymous]

The Guest is none other than THWHO, picking bones.

while i was typing this message, the who went and posted as himself.
just shows his willingness to MANIPULATE PARENTS into believing his propaganda.

i'm not even an admin and i can tell its thewho.

a hint to thewho:
you're too polite and proper as guest, and make no effort to alter your writing style, syntax, and particularly your vocabulary usage. dont bother re-learning how to write, you're probably going to be banned soon.


i think people should be accountable for their actions (hint hint). dishonesty should not be tolerated here. BAN HIM.

[psy]

That "someone" who let him back was none other than Psy himself, one of his first major policy changes as admin. Since then, Psy has implemented other changes including but not limited to: outing the identities of posters

Example?

posting Internet Protocol Addresses (IP) of guests

Example?

threatening multiple posters with police action and bragging to one he could "get him arrested" whenever he wanted.

One poster... and I had no legal choice.  I also didn't call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so.

Psy is pro-censorhip and has the agenda of making this forum "safe for parents". TheWho is a parent maybe that's why he un-banned him despite protest. According to Psy, fornits would better serve the community as an advocacy group, rather than a bastion of freedom of speech related to the Troubled Teen Industry.  Fornits as it once was, is dead and dying. Struggling Teens 2 has since taken it place with Psy at the helm, and Ginger too cynical or bored to notice or care, can we really blame her?

Right... the TTI is, and likely will always be unmoderated.  Creating more boards (such as YLF) that are moderated does not restrict anybody's existing rights to free speech.  Creating a blog that appeals to parents, and forums that can provide our side of he story, can help to keep kids out of programs. Ultimately, unfortunately, parents do hold the keys.

[Nihilanthic]

Bad move Niles.....  I think parents would rather hear the truth from me than have to put up with your pornography and Jewish hate sites (oh I am sorry, that’s parody to you).  You paint a picture of what you want to believe.  I have probably been responsible for derailing a few threads, but the rest is basically lies.

ROFL. www.encyclopediadramatica.com is not a "jewish hate site" or a pornographic site either. And see, he's attacking ME, not what I have to say. See the first post in the thread, guys.

But honestly, when you're not speaking the truth, your point is invalid anyway....

If I am banned, someone else will come along and hold everyone here accountable for what you say and try to add balance, play devils' advocate and generally work to keep the dialog honest.

"Hold me accountable"? LOL. What Im a bad boy to be punished and there's some fucking enforced law of accountability? You're a programmie and then some, and if you were speaking honestly we wouldn't have a problem. Your attacks on us, derailing of conversations, manipulation and attempts to justify things with bullshit is not keeping dialog honest, you're stopping dialog and dictating to people your own spin on things.

If you ban me, be specific and hold others accountable to the same standard or your fight to retain free speech will be lost here and banning will become a common event every time someone disagrees with the majority or group think here.  I see it happening on the "Shout Box" and it won’t be long before the same mentality drifts into the main forum.

Keeping paid liars from manipulating and twisting people into sending kids to programs is not stopping free speech.

What is done to kids in your programs is the prevention of free speech - why not tell us how you are for free speech but censoring communication between kids and parents, asshole?

[The Monsters]

As much as we dislike the who, his antics and his very openly way of manipulating. We do not think we should ban hi.

That would comprimise everything and not oly prove he is a threat to everyone but it does breach the concept of freedom of speach. Yes he abuses it and has no regard for rules and runs amok. But I think we should let him stay and even let him in the shout box. Just because HE is a lowly degenerate who likes to trample the freedoms of people does not mean we should. Set the example.

[Nihilanthic]

Letting him suck more people into the industry to prove a point is unacceptable to me. Period.

Find a way to mitigate that and I won't care if he's here. I care what he DOES, and the only way I see to stop it is to ban his ass.

Unless you want to embed into his footer or signature of his posts a link to him being debunked and discredited for the nth time so we don't have to do it again and again, thats fine with me.

[Anne Bonney]

I look at it this way...it's like the friggin Nazi's or Aryan Brotherhood.  I'm repulsed by them, but they have a right to speak.  They're legally allowed to hold rallies on courthouse steps.  Most compassionate, thinking people are repulsed by them but taht doesn't mean they don't have a right to speak, no matter how vulgar the message.  There is a price for freedom.  I'm willing to pay it.

[Froderik]

I've changed my mind, I vote 'no' for the ban.

[Anne Bonney]

I've changed my mind, I vote no on the ban.

LOL...I didn't know you voted in the first place.

[Froderik]

It was on some other thread a few days ago.

[Anne Bonney]

It was on some other thread a few days ago.

I musta missed that thread.

[The Monsters]

I concur with what Anne said about the brotherhood and the neo nazis.


to ban him would only re enforce what he tells parents.

We vote no to the ban.


Let us make it clear that we detest Who... but we will not silence him... even though he openly supports the ones who silenced us for so many years.

[Anonymous]

That \\\"someone\\\" who let him back was none other than Psy himself, one of his first major policy changes as admin. Since then, Psy has implemented other changes including but not limited to: outing the identities of posters

Example?

posting Internet Protocol Addresses (IP) of guests

Example?

threatening multiple posters with police action and bragging to one he could \\\"get him arrested\\\" whenever he wanted.

One poster... and I had no legal choice.  I also didn\'t call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so.

Psy is pro-censorhip and has the agenda of making this forum \\\"safe for parents\\\". TheWho is a parent maybe that\\\'s why he un-banned him despite protest. According to Psy, fornits would better serve the community as an advocacy group, rather than a bastion of freedom of speech related to the Troubled Teen Industry.  Fornits as it once was, is dead and dying. Struggling Teens 2 has since taken it place with Psy at the helm, and Ginger too cynical or bored to notice or care, can we really blame her?

Right... the TTI is, and likely will always be unmoderated.  Creating more boards (such as YLF) that are moderated does not restrict anybody\'s existing rights to free speech.  Creating a blog that appeals to parents, and forums that can provide our side of he story, can help to keep kids out of programs. Ultimately, unfortunately, parents do hold the keys.

You are right Psy, I should ammend that. You attempt to out posters, but manage to fail due to your own incompetence and paranoia. You attempted to out theWho which everybody saw for themselves, no explanation needed for that.

I am just posting recent examples for the sake of the new people.

Here is an example of when you attempt to out a poster known as Milk. Nowhere in these Guest\'s posts did they indicate they were the person known as Milk. You just assumed they were, and went ahead and made threats against the person you assumed it was. You would of known for sure but they were using a proxy. The only way to defend against Psy\'s threatening behavior at this point is to proxy up, apparently.

From Forum Open Free for All: Topic: psy threatens to call the cops on chatroom user

Someone says \"kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage\" and psy threatens to call the cops? Something is wrong with that, has the policy on this board changed?

Go back to no admins if this kid wants to call the cops on stupid little things like this. I think they were right, you are a faggot for doing this Psy. I am really disappointed with your pro-LEO/Scheff-like activity.

Milk.  Please stop impersonating survivors whilst simultaneously spouting quotes from Anonymous.  You don\'t understand the psychology of what is going on here and come off sounding like a complete idiot.  Hate solves little but creating more hate.  Gunning down a program will only convince the world of what the programs are already trying to portray us as: a bunch of psychos.  It sounds great, and awfully romantic, nice to fantasize about (hey... i know parents who do), but ultimately counterproductive.  Why don\'t I say it\'s unethical?  Because you don\'t understand that concept.  To you, it\'s just a game and as you\'ve said so aptly, hatred is \"yummy\".

Yes, anger has it\'s purpose, but it can\'t fuel you forever, you\'ll burn out.  It can consume you, control you.  Trust me on this.  You seem to thrive on it since it\'s all a game to you...  Well.  I\'m not amused.  Impersonating survivors (badly) and suggesting acts of mass murder can solve a social problem like the TTI ... I don\'t find it very funny at all.  You might say \"yay.. i caused that\" when somebody follows your idiotic advice...  People are just funny little tools to you.  I seriously doubt you\'d have the balls to grab a rifle and do the job yourself.

Go away, please, or I\'ll post that chat where you suggested that I was worthless, had no life, and should go massacre a program (\"kill them all\" are the exact words you used, so don\'t try and claim you didn\'t mean to \"take them out\" (to dinner) like you did earlier today.  As I\'ve said, you made far too many mistakes.  I don\'t normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today).  I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).  Tor nodes can\'t save you from chat transcripts.  I don\'t want to do it, but if you don\'t stay the fuck off this site and stop impersonating survivors, I won\'t hesitate.  I only have so much pity.

Toodles!

From topic Web Forum Hosting: Topic: I want this person... page 2

Posting IP\'s you do as Guest as to allow deniability, but the writing style is suspiciously similar to yours. Also, who else would have access to IPs?

\":roll: Fuck it.

Here, Zen. It\'s not a PERSON, but this should be amusing to you:

68.155.17.221

Not only are they program trash, they\'re lying program trash. 

Have fun and learn how to use your computer. \"



There are too many instances of Psy confirming identities of guest posters to find and post. Someone asks Psy, is that the same person as this, and psy will answer them, using his ability to spot IP\'s to do so.

Other changes Psy has implemented include stickying topics he thinks are more important than traditional forum bumps would show. Moving forums around to stack his forums on top, even though they are slower and nobody posts in them. Using fornits for his agenda, and his personal war against Sue Scheff and Isabelle Zehnder without any care of the legal blow-back he causes. Heavily censoring the shoutbox. Removing guests ability to post in shoutbox. Deleting his own guest posts. Deleting other guests posts that question why posts are being deleted.


\"One poster... and I had no legal choice.  I also didn\'t call the cops, nor did I have any intention of doing so.\"

Two posters, psy. You threatened the shoutbox user who said kids need to run away and not let staff get in their way, and then this Milk person. Two different users you threatened with direct law enforcement action.

Guest said this:

[Today at 04:36:00 PM] guest-6d53: kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage

[Today at 04:36:21 PM] guest-6d53: they should do what they need to do


This is what you said to them:

[Today at 04:40:44 PM] psy: Look.  If you\'re publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i\'ll have to check what my legal responsibilities are.  I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.


[Today at 04:43:14 PM] psy: oh... I\'m just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they\'d interpret \"rise up and take them out\" as anything other than what you stated it to be.

After you banned the person and someone else questioned why you did that, you claimed you did it because:

[Today at 03:50:01 PM]  psy: er...  I\'ll explain why I did it..
[Today at 03:50:19 PM]  psy: mostly it was to make the person piss in his or her pants about what they were stupid enough to type without a proxy
[Today at 03:50:25 PM]  psy: lol
[Today at 03:52:33 PM]  psy: yeah... and they can\'t read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
[Today at 03:53:13 PM]  psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops...  lol


This is what you said to poster #2 (who you thought was Milk) in a completely different conversation an context:

As I\'ve said, you made far too many mistakes.  I don\'t normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today).  I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).

I think this addresses your questions for clarification of my criticism\'s of your fascist admin policies. Since you agree with my last paragraph that you are pro-censorship and forcing a pro-parent slant to he forum, I see no need to confirm these with links, as you have admitted to them freely.