Ban TheWho?

[Ursus]

I think banning sets a very bad precedent. One of the reasons survivors trust this place is that fornits does not ban. You don't want to take that away.

[Anne Bonney]

Where's my emoticons??

I need the ROFLMAO guys....STAT!!!   I didn't see this....


"if you really did go to Straight"

This'll do for now...








if I really did go.......




pleeeze

[TheWho]

Looking back the one thing that really stood out for me was how upset everyone would get if I questioned someones story or supported a new parents point of view.  You would think I was part of the 911 conspiracy.  People spoke of how badly they were treated in their various programs and how some were ridiculed by staff because they were overweight or liked boys/girls, too skinny etc…… but then when Niles came on here and was posting pictures of black people with racial slurs and links to jewish hate sites which tried to categorize the jewish people by facial features or mannerisms and various slurs they are called etc…. pornography… no one commented and some even snickered… that is held to be acceptable and no one mentioned banning him.

But since I am open about my point of views (which go against most peoples here) and talk openly about my experiences within the industry and challenge others as they do me the porno/ hate site guy ( who never had any dealings with a program) decides to create a thread to try to censor me or have me banned!!  (why am I not surprised)

After I am banned what will you do next, have Niles as your standard of survivors?  Bring psy back so you can move on to an open forum with free speech defined by the ones in charge?

Like I said, I am here to add balance to a heavily biased site.. I don’t expect to be popular, but I have been open and honest and I don’t earn a penny being here (as others would like you to believe).

Sorry I rambled… I will stop for a few minutes.



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[Anne Bonney]

… but then when Niles came on here and was posting pictures of black people with racial slurs and links to jewish hate sites which tried to categorize the jewish people by facial features or mannerisms and various slurs they are called etc…. pornography… no one commented and some even snickered… that is held to be acceptable and no one mentioned banning him.

Are you fucking kidding me???   I was one of the ones who called him out for it!!!  Jesus, now I know for sure you really DO just pull shit right out of your ass!!!!   I and many others publicly called him out for that shit!  Damn!  You are some piece of work.

But since I am open about my point of views (which go against most peoples here) and talk openly about my experiences within the industry and challenge others as they do me the porno/ hate site guy ( who never had any dealings with a program) decides to create a thread try to censor me or have me banned.

You are anything but open about your agenda.  There is much more to the "I'm just a humble parent" story of yours.  We all knjow it.

After I am banned what will you do next, have Niles as your standard of survivors?  Bring psy back so you can get back to an open forum with free speech defined by the ones in charge?

Moron.  You know you're not going to be banned.  You know there's no way even if we all wanted you to be.  You just throw this out as a red herring to draw people away from the real issues.  You use this disagreement we're all having about whether or not to ban you as "proof" that we slant things.  Take another look asswipe.  I can't stand you.  I think you're one of the most pathetic pieces of shit to come down the pike in quite a while....BUT .....i'm here, defending your (damn, what's with my grammar tonight?) right to speak.....so ONCE AGAIN.......BITE.  MY.  ASS.

Like I said, I am here to add balance to a heavily biased site.. I don’t expect to be popular, but I have been open and honest and I don’t earn a penny being here (as others would like you to believe).

I'm not saying you get paid directly for being here, but I do....strongly believe....that you are in some way financially connected to this industry.   You've almost as much stated so.

[TheWho]

You are anything but open about your agenda.  There is much more to the "I'm just a humble parent" story of yours.  We all knjow it.

Been open right from the beginning…I don’t think of myself as humble but I am a parent…. you on the other hand try to use your experience from decades ago to try to paint all TBS the same and mislead people, especially parents.

Moron.  You know you're not going to be banned.  You know there's no way even if we all wanted you to be.  You just throw this out as a red herring to draw people away from the real issues.  You use this disagreement we're all having about whether or not to ban you as "proof" that we slant things.  Take another look asswipe.  I can't stand you.  I think you're one of the most pathetic pieces of shit to come down the pike in quite a while....BUT .....i'm here, defending you're right to speak.....so ONCE AGAIN.......BITE.  MY.  ASS.

I didn’t start this thread… you going to accuse me of derailing now?  Throwing of the conversation off into another direction while you post pictures of sea creatures rolling on the beach.
I don’t need to prove that you slant things (gutter mouth mother).  You do it every time you speak.
I am sorry to say this again, but I really do feel sorry for your kids having to put up with the language all day.  You should really consider hanging with a better group of friends or something.

I'm not saying you get paid directly for being here, but I do....strongly believe....that you are in some way financially connected to this industry.   You've almost as much stated so.

If anyone in your family has a 401k plan (or watches Dr. phil) chances are they are profiting from the industry also.



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[Anne Bonney]

Been open right from the beginning…I don’t think of myself as humble but I am a parent…. you on the other hand try to use your experience from decades ago to try to paint all TBS the same and mislead people, especially parents.

And I'm saying, that based on everything I've seen you post here, that you're a liar.

I don’t need to prove that you slant things (gutter mouth mother).  You do it every time you speak.
I am sorry to say this again, but I really do feel sorry for your kids having to put up with the language all day.  You should really consider hanging with a better group of friends or something.

Again, you try and mislead people.  You and your ilk are the only ones I speak to like this.  Why you would assume you would know anything at all about what I've done with my kids is beyond me.  Oh, wait.  No its not.   Most of you program people claim to have some special 'awareness' or 'insight' into others. (AAers call it the advantage over "normies")  I've earned the right to speak to people like you who perpetuate this bullshit...I've lived through it.  But my disgust and disdain is reserved for you and yours.  But this is, however, very typical of you and program people.  You cannot, in any way discredit or disprove what I'm saying so you go after the 'ad hominem' attacks.  You haver nothing else.  Not unlike the Scientologists' method of dealing with criticism.  Identify and destroy.  Confront the confronter.  Go on the attack and dig up whatever you can to discredit the person since you know you can't discredit the message.

I'm not saying you get paid directly for being here, but I do....strongly believe....that you are in some way financially connected to this industry.   You've almost as much stated so.

If anyone in your family has a 401k plan (or watches Dr. phil) chances are they are profiting from the industry also.

I know, I've heard this response from you before.  It's a really nice non-denial denial.  Congrats, you're on the same level as the current administration.

[The Monsters]

on your comment regarding the 401k plan, that still doesent make it ok... secondly we are not sure if you have been paying attention but us monsters and a variety of other whos hate your stinking guts have voted NO on banning you and have expressed our opinions to Psy about banning you. No matter what skewed and bastardized concept you have or what ever insight you may pretned to understand of the industry... you have every right to express it even if it's wrong. You have the right to say whatever you wish and we will defend your right to free speech even though it's people like you that willingly trample on ours.

[TheWho]

And I'm saying, that based on everything I've seen you post here, that you're a liar.

We have established many times over that you are a liar and mislead parents.  I stand by my experience with SUWS and ASR and make it clear when I speak of where my experience comes from.

Again, you try and mislead people.  You and your ilk are the only ones I speak to like this.  Why you would assume you would know anything at all about what I've done with my kids is beyond me.  Oh, wait.  No its not.   Most of you program people claim to have some special 'awareness' or 'insight' into others. (AAers call it the advantage over "normies")

Hmmmm, Oh, like maybe knowing what I do for a living, thinking I work for the industry or profit from it… something along those lines.  As far as your foul mouth goes ....I think we both know you don’t keep one side of your personality in reserve for just a few people, your type of communication is deeply ingrained which is apparent by the way you write and react to people, dont try to fool anyone here or add more lies to your list.

I've earned the right to speak to people like you who perpetuate this bullshit...I've lived through it.  But my disgust and disdain is reserved for you and yours.  But this is, however, very typical of you and program people.  You cannot, in any way discredit or disprove what I'm saying so you go after the 'ad hominem' attacks.

Like moron or ass wipe or dick head was it!!  Ha,Ha,  keep digging Anne.  You are the one with the personal attacks.

You haver nothing else.  Not unlike the Scientologists' method of dealing with criticism.  Identify and destroy.  Confront the confronter.  Go on the attack and dig up whatever you can to discredit the person since you know you can't discredit the message.

Oh so now I am like a scientologist digging up dirt… I can add that to the list of what I am suppose to be.


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[The Monsters]

who, you come in here on your name and play all nice and innocent and then come in on a guest name and curse and make tons of insults, so to critique Anne for doing it is just nonsense.

[TheWho]

on your comment regarding the 401k plan, that still doesent make it ok... secondly we are not sure if you have been paying attention but us monsters and a variety of other whos hate your stinking guts have voted NO on banning you and have expressed our opinions to Psy about banning you. No matter what skewed and bastardized concept you have or what ever insight you may pretned to understand of the industry... you have every right to express it even if it's wrong. You have the right to say whatever you wish and we will defend your right to free speech even though it's people like you that willingly trample on ours.

I hear you and thanks.  If they were trying to ban niles or yourself... even Anne Bonney I would fight for your rights to speak openly here even though I feel you are misleading parents who come on here and place their kids in danger of not receiving any help.  Some parents may take many of you seriously and decide their kid is just being a normal teenager and not get them any help.  Who would be responsible then if the child committed suicide or ran off and hurt someone or a family member etc.

Its important to be honest with the parents who come on here and give them straight answers and not try to paint the whole teen help industry as evil and also not paint it as all good either.  We need to all be responsible and put personal agendas aside when considering helping the children... Going after places like PV, if they are abusive, is a good thing.... but lets not let that cloud the larger issue of getting these kids the help they need and giving parents some honest information which they can use for their families.


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[TheWho]

who, you come in here on your name and play all nice and innocent and then come in on a guest name and curse and make tons of insults, so to critique Anne for doing it is just nonsense.

What are you talking about?

[Anne Bonney]

We have established many times over that you are a liar and mislead parents.  I stand by my experience with SUWS and ASR and make it clear when I speak of where my experience comes from.

I don't doubt that you stand by your outside parents experience of the program which is vastly different from what really goes on.

Hmmmm, Oh, like maybe knowing what I do for a living, thinking I work for the industry or profit from it… something along those lines.

I've said all along that I have no evidence of such but, from what YOU have posted, I strongly suspect as much.

 

As far as your foul mouth goes ....I think we both know you don’t keep one side of your personality in reserve for just a few people, your type of communication is deeply ingrained which is apparent by the way you write and react to people, dont try to fool anyone here or add more lies to your list.

On this we agree.  The part of my personality you are seeing here when I deal with and speak to you is a DIRECT result of my time in Straight and my exposure to the LGAT type raps/seminars/meetings/retreats or whatever other name you try and slap on it.  Yup, you can thank your beloved program for my confrontational manner.  I learned well, didn't I?

Oh so now I am like a scientologist digging up dirt… I can add that to the list of what I am suppose to be.

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Yes, insofar as you resort to attacking the messenger.  That's actually in their doctrine.  I'll give you that you're different inasmuch as programs don't blatantly say that.  You get the message.....clearly.   And the more indoctrinated you are, the more it shows in the pompous arrogance you dispaly.

[Anne Bonney]

I hear you and thanks.  If they were trying to ban niles or yourself... even Anne Bonney I would fight for your rights to speak openly here even though I feel you are misleading parents who come on here and place their kids in danger of not receiving any help. 

In case you haven't noticed, I've just taken a ration of shit for not climbing aboard the ban Who Bandwagon.

[The Monsters]

who, teenagers not listening to their parents, not wanthing to follow rules, experementing with drugs, having sexual encounters... THESE ARE NORMAL ACTIVITIES FOR A TEENAGER.

Stop acting as if this is all some disease that ont RTC's can fix.

Teens dont listen in class because they find it boring, they resent doing homework because they would rather be doing a millon other things. This is not brain science it's common logic that teens are very difficult to reason with and hate you no matter what you do.... thats part of being a teenager. Stop acting as if a pill or a program is going to redesign thousands of years of a human instinct. Teens acting this way is as normal as a two year old screaming MINE, or a 5 year old that steals candy, or a 12 year old sneaking dirty magazines. It's a part of growing up and you guys are trying to treat it as if this is an alien concept to you.

[TheWho]

I hear you and thanks.  If they were trying to ban niles or yourself... even Anne Bonney I would fight for your rights to speak openly here even though I feel you are misleading parents who come on here and place their kids in danger of not receiving any help. 

In case you haven't noticed, I've just taken a ration of shit for not climbing aboard the ban Who Bandwagon.

 I didnt notice , where was that posted?
Well, thanks.  It looks like you are the deciding vote if it stands.  You will have to take psy's place as the one responsible for me being here.  I guess I will owe you, Anne.  You will take alot of shit for that.  (pardon my french).


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