huh?
Also, it's not anarchy over here, truly.
look, for example, i went in "normal", was tortured, and came out suicdal. Therefore, someone who goes in suicidal has a strong liklihood of ending up dead. They're weaker fromt he start and easier to hurt. it's not complicated
That the standard program mix of brainwashing and abuse is bad and that kids have varying degrees of susceptibility to it are axioms to me too.
But to the best of my knowledge there are NO known or even rumored suicides discussed on the Hyde forum. (I'm counting on Ursus to find one or two counterexamples, though. :wink: )
Conclusion: The link between programs and suicide is negligible to nonexistent.
Your conclusion makes no logical sense from your supposition
Look bitch, my best friend went into program a happy outgoing girl was "ruined" by program, and promptly killed herself. I went from being "normal" to SERIOUSLY mentally ill. I had a personality split, "autism"- a constant trance like state that lasted almost two years, suicial obsession..and other issues i won't get into. STOP THE BULLSHIT. TORURE DESIGNED TO DESTROY THE BRAIN ACTUALLY SUCCEEDS IN DESTROYING THE BRAIN. Go away troll
And i doubt that beleif you have about Hyde.
Ursus, want to answer some questions? I don't really understand hyde anyway. It doesn't sound like a program, exactly.
Okay, Mike and Guest... The issue of suicide has been discussed but spottily on the Hyde forum, but it has been brought up. I think people are ashamed/embarrassed; it is a difficult subject to broach. It would appear as though one of the coping mechanisms for surviving the Hyde bullshit is to incorporate a certain amount of arrogance or braggadocio into one's persona. I think we've seen this again and again, even with otherwise very personable sorts. Perhaps this might help to make the incidence of suicide less? I don't know...
To my knowledge, there was only one case of an actual death
at Hyde, and this was during the 1987-88 school year. The causal factor was attributed to an enlarged heart. Incidentally, this was also the cause attributed to the kid who died after being in the Ring at Elan.
I think the "danger period" for suicide is actually in the ten or so years
after you get out, when what you've been indoctrinated in for the past several years meets the "real world," and the juxtaposition of the two do not comport.
I think program puts you in the frame of mind to judge things as absolutes, much like AA does regarding one's drinking or falling off the wagon. Joe Gauld used to say that if you can't make it at Hyde, then you can't make it anywhere. The corollary being, of course, that if you fail at Hyde, you've failed at life.
As to actual bonafide cases, NC's death was rumored to have at the least a very great assist from suicidal intentions. I don't think she was in great shape when she came to Hyde; circumstances prior to her enrollment would have suggested some serious and nurturing therapy, and that is certainly not what she got at Hyde. You know that she had tried before she even got to Hyde, Mike? SF also tried a few years post-Hyde; that was definitely tied into what happened to her there. There are a couple of other kids who went through some serious rough spots, but those kids are either dead due to "other causes" or I've lost track of them. I've lost track of most of them so the fact that I can even bring up some says something. And then there is myself, of course.
It is at this point, Mike, that you usually do your typical about-face and try to skewer me for my words, and you might as well go right ahead; have at it, buddy. I don't give a shit. I think the mere fact that you are trying to poke holes in Benchmark's culpability in George's death just about says it all, as per where
you are coming from.
I've read a few posts of other Hyde kids that intimated consideration of this route, but I don't actually know those people well enough to vouch for that. Again, it is really hard to track cases, 'cuz people that don't do well there tend to disappear. And I don't think this kind of stuff usually shows up immediately after you get out. For a while, you're running around like a chicken with your head cut off, trying to "prove them wrong." Then... reality, and fatality, sets in.
As to Guest's question about Hyde being a program or not, I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion. My opinion is that it most definitely is. It fucks with your mind and sucks out any capacity to critically assess the relative value of your life's experiences. Perhaps not everyone that went to Hyde feels that way, but I found it to be a very crippling influence on my life. There is no doubt in my mind that I would have lived my life differently, and more fully, had I not gone to Hyde. And that is about the most pathetic understatement I can come up with today.
Take it from Vanda M, "recent" Hyde graduate, Landmark Forum devotee, and currently enthralled with Ramtha's School of Enlightenment: "I've been involved in cults all my life, ha ha!" (spoken in a 2006 radio interview
vis a vis Hyde, and her going back for her diploma nigh 30 years after her last attendance there).
