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psy
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""Mike"" ---Now Ursus, you know you are not being fair to me by portraying me as coming from that place where people absolve programs. You know full well I've spent the past year taking apart the Hyde clock and putting it back together. But, and your post bears me out, suicide is not endemic to Hyde, even though Hyde is as much a brainwashing and abusing facility as any.
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You ridicule Hyde for its piss-poor academics; it would seem you like to come across as intellectually superior to everyone else here. You also like to ridicule survivors who take too long, in your estimation, to "get over it."
Everyone makes fun of Hyde's piss-poor academics, you more than anyone. And yes, I think your 40-year Hyde obsession is a laughable copout for a wasted life.
You actually tried to use my posting an article about the inherent pathology of Lifespring and its destructive use of psychology – as proof that Hyde could work, if it only got rid of Joe Gauld! Namely, you thought Lifespring was an example of something that was okay!
What in the fuck are you talking about? I don't even know what Lifespring is! Post it.
--- Quote from: ""Mike"" ---The reason I'm touchy about what strikes me as a false allegation is owing to Che Gookin, aka TheWho, aka Botched Programming, aka you name it. At exactly the same time he barged into the Hyde forum like he owned it, although he's unaffiliated with the school, and I asked him not to dishonor the memory of a certain Hyde teacher, we were hit, literally five minutes later, by a plague of incredibly vile and truly pathological polls and posts from various personae claiming to have been Hyde students sexually molested by this teacher. The idiot didn't make it too hard to figure out the author. The idiot utterly defiled our discussions, and what was a vital, vibrant, much visited forum is now a dead, smoking ruin. That's why I don't apathetically just swallow any allegation I hear on Fornits anymore. It has nothing to do with a need to absolve programs.
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Bullshit. The Hyde forum fell into disarray when you started stalking me all over fornits, misquoting me in my wake as having posted lemonparty links, calling everyone you disagreed with "Ursus," misquoting me, libeling me, and turning a discussion about Sumner Hawley's sexual involvement with returning alums into a circus about child molestation and worse.
What in the fuck are you talking about? Post my stalking posts. I left the Hyde forum only once, to post, in the appropriate forum, a complaint about pornography. You posted after me. I started the SH child molester circus? Post it.
There are other people that follow the Hyde forum than exclusively former Hyde students, what exactly did you expect to happen? I vacated myself for awhile, thinking that perhaps my posts would simply add more fuel to an already blazing fire. But you kept it up. Had you any interest in genuine discussion re. Hyde matters, you would have returned once things calmed down, but it does not appear as though you have.
The Hyde forum was assigned a moderator after the blowup, who promptly deleted several of Che's posts. I don't trust it anymore.
I find it humorous that you link Che Gookin, TheWho, and Botched Programming with one another, since these three have distinctly different posting styles. I find it especially ironic that you would single out TheWho as – of all posters on fornits – you are most like him in your manner of obfuscation. You attempt to discredit by exaggeration, derail by taking details out of context, and ridicule and discount anything that you can get away with. One might think you simply want to argue for argument's sake.
As for the real identity of TheWho, reread the "Willfull Suspension of Disbelief" thread again. I'm like the Who? Demagogue.
FAIR?? Lols, don't get on your high horse to me about fairness.
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Did I say something about fairness? I pity you, dude.
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Jesus Christ! I see you're putting your Hyde character assination skills to good use. That's what group was like, i bet. Your nastiness to someone who is quite polite to you, despite your weird trolling, is evidence of how screwy YOU are. Whether by Hyde or some character defect.
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Character defect.
I get defensive when I find myself in a peer-controlled conformity culture and someone rallies the group against me.
Go kill that Who.
stina:
--- Quote from: ""Guest"" ---Go kill that Who.
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Amen, go sister, soul sister
stina:
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--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---........ Yeah he probably was suffering prior to Benchmark, but the POINT IS that Benchmark did not help him. Obviously. I don't know what happened on that day, but that's NOT the point. These places are supposed to help children, they're not supposed to be just a holding pen, or worse a place for impotent adults to find some kind of power. And your weak Mcdonalds comparison, well, working somewhere voluntarily and being placed somewhere against your will with your civil rights ripped away from you and no one to count on are completely different animals.
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The McDonalds wasn’t a good analogy, I agree. The point I was trying to make was the guy showed up at Benchmark and he was suicidal and eventually committed suicide. I can see that it is determined that Benchmark did not help him enough to prevent this, but they cant be held responsible for his death. We don’t know what triggered it… a letter from his girl friend or phone call from a family member, staff member not being compassionate etc. It could be anything, so this isn’t a death we can attribute to the program, friend, staff member, boss at his job....
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Right...and you know this HOW? You make all sorts of statements like they're fact, but the reality is that most of us didn't know George, we don't know what his state of mind was when sent to Benchmark, or who he was as a person, he may or may not have been suicidal, but without all of the facts you absolutely CANNOT absolve Benchmark for whatever their responsibility may be.
I don't know what your deal is, why do you have such a raging hard on to try to deflect any accountability these programs should take for the havoc and cruelty and pain they've wreaked on minors? I got lucky in the sense in that I was never sexually abused, or beaten, or restrained, and after the first year spent at RMA I decided to just deal with it and try to come out of there with something worthwhile. And I did. And I didn't. I have good friends from there to this day. At the same time, those places change the way your mind works. Period. It's hard to come back out into the real world. Adjustment sucks, especially when the school does nothing to prepare you for post-graduation life, they actually expect you to fall flat on your face and you're not allowed to have any contact with your friends still at the school for 6 months. I'm sorry, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?
Whatever, I've rambled at you long enough. I just don't understand how you can read some of the posts on here about the unbelievable cruelty that has been inflicted and still try to push whatever agenda it is that you're pushing. You have no business being here.
Anonymous:
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--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---........ Yeah he probably was suffering prior to Benchmark, but the POINT IS that Benchmark did not help him. Obviously. I don't know what happened on that day, but that's NOT the point. These places are supposed to help children, they're not supposed to be just a holding pen, or worse a place for impotent adults to find some kind of power. And your weak Mcdonalds comparison, well, working somewhere voluntarily and being placed somewhere against your will with your civil rights ripped away from you and no one to count on are completely different animals.
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The McDonalds wasn’t a good analogy, I agree. The point I was trying to make was the guy showed up at Benchmark and he was suicidal and eventually committed suicide. I can see that it is determined that Benchmark did not help him enough to prevent this, but they cant be held responsible for his death. We don’t know what triggered it… a letter from his girl friend or phone call from a family member, staff member not being compassionate etc. It could be anything, so this isn’t a death we can attribute to the program, friend, staff member, boss at his job....
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Right...and you know this HOW? You make all sorts of statements like they're fact, but the reality is that most of us didn't know George, we don't know what his state of mind was when sent to Benchmark, or who he was as a person, he may or may not have been suicidal, but without all of the facts you absolutely CANNOT absolve Benchmark for whatever their responsibility may be.
I don't know what your deal is, why do you have such a raging hard on to try to deflect any accountability these programs should take for the havoc and cruelty and pain they've wreaked on minors? I got lucky in the sense in that I was never sexually abused, or beaten, or restrained, and after the first year spent at RMA I decided to just deal with it and try to come out of there with something worthwhile. And I did. And I didn't. I have good friends from there to this day. At the same time, those places change the way your mind works. Period. It's hard to come back out into the real world. Adjustment sucks, especially when the school does nothing to prepare you for post-graduation life, they actually expect you to fall flat on your face and you're not allowed to have any contact with your friends still at the school for 6 months. I'm sorry, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?
Whatever, I've rambled at you long enough. I just don't understand how you can read some of the posts on here about the unbelievable cruelty that has been inflicted and still try to push whatever agenda it is that you're pushing. You have no business being here.
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i could never be friends with people who abused me, even if they aren't responsiblel for it mentally
TheWho:
--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---
--- Quote from: ""TheWho"" ---
--- Quote from: ""stina"" ---........ Yeah he probably was suffering prior to Benchmark, but the POINT IS that Benchmark did not help him. Obviously. I don't know what happened on that day, but that's NOT the point. These places are supposed to help children, they're not supposed to be just a holding pen, or worse a place for impotent adults to find some kind of power. And your weak Mcdonalds comparison, well, working somewhere voluntarily and being placed somewhere against your will with your civil rights ripped away from you and no one to count on are completely different animals.
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The McDonalds wasn’t a good analogy, I agree. The point I was trying to make was the guy showed up at Benchmark and he was suicidal and eventually committed suicide. I can see that it is determined that Benchmark did not help him enough to prevent this, but they cant be held responsible for his death. We don’t know what triggered it… a letter from his girl friend or phone call from a family member, staff member not being compassionate etc. It could be anything, so this isn’t a death we can attribute to the program, friend, staff member, boss at his job....
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Right...and you know this HOW? You make all sorts of statements like they're fact, but the reality is that most of us didn't know George, we don't know what his state of mind was when sent to Benchmark, or who he was as a person, he may or may not have been suicidal, but without all of the facts you absolutely CANNOT absolve Benchmark for whatever their responsibility may be.
I don't know what your deal is, why do you have such a raging hard on to try to deflect any accountability these programs should take for the havoc and cruelty and pain they've wreaked on minors? I got lucky in the sense in that I was never sexually abused, or beaten, or restrained, and after the first year spent at RMA I decided to just deal with it and try to come out of there with something worthwhile. And I did. And I didn't. I have good friends from there to this day. At the same time, those places change the way your mind works. Period. It's hard to come back out into the real world. Adjustment sucks, especially when the school does nothing to prepare you for post-graduation life, they actually expect you to fall flat on your face and you're not allowed to have any contact with your friends still at the school for 6 months. I'm sorry, but isn't that just a tad hypocritical?
Whatever, I've rambled at you long enough. I just don't understand how you can read some of the posts on here about the unbelievable cruelty that has been inflicted and still try to push whatever agenda it is that you're pushing. You have no business being here.
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psy mentioned he was suicidal when he showed up on Benchmarks doorstep.
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