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Offline Ursus

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« Reply #15 on: December 13, 2007, 04:48:05 PM »
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I dont think a clinical study is needed to show a school to be effective. I think the proof would be in the kids who graduated and the feedback from the parents.
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Feedback from parents and the kids are merely heresay.

"Graduation" is one way some of these places stack the decks in their favor.  They don't allow completion of the program save for kids/parents likely to say good things.

Moreover, what time frame are we talking about?  Immediately post-programming?  Or when the PTSD begins to take effect?
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« Reply #16 on: December 13, 2007, 04:59:25 PM »


I think this sums up my beliefs regarding a "good" wank wank program.
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« Reply #17 on: December 13, 2007, 05:15:20 PM »
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Three words.... Documentation, Documentation, Documentation

Feedback from parents and the kids are merely heresay.


Quote from: ""Ursus""
"Graduation" is one way some of these places stack the decks in their favor. They don't allow completion of the program save for kids/parents likely to say good things.

Moreover, what time frame are we talking about? Immediately post-programming? Or when the PTSD begins to take effect?

Quote from: ""Che""
I think this sums up my beliefs regarding a "good" wank wank program.





Yep, yep and lemme check...........


Yep.

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« Reply #18 on: December 13, 2007, 06:35:53 PM »
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To the YLF this is the highest state of evolution we find acceptable for these programs.


Thanks for the orange cake.
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« Reply #19 on: December 13, 2007, 08:19:20 PM »
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« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2007, 08:41:24 PM »
What an UGLY sunuvabitch.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2007, 08:57:23 PM »
Quote from: ""Ursus""
Quote from: ""TheWho""
I dont think a clinical study is needed to show a school to be effective. I think the proof would be in the kids who graduated and the feedback from the parents.
Quote from: ""Botched Programming""
Feedback from parents and the kids are merely heresay.
"Graduation" is one way some of these places stack the decks in their favor.  They don't allow completion of the program save for kids/parents likely to say good things.

Moreover, what time frame are we talking about?  Immediately post-programming?  Or when the PTSD begins to take effect?


I think 12 month follow-ups would be a great way to track effectiveness... getting feedback from the parents and the children.. maybe for 5 years.  But I guess any study can be considered hearsay unless the people were interviewed in person, which would be very expensive.

I agree with graduation everyone is all in the moment.  I remember mine and how great we felt our school was until the whole graduation thing wore off and then we were back to trashing the teachers and faculty.  So if you wait a few months before seeking the initial feedback you may get a better read on how the kids are doing.




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« Reply #22 on: December 13, 2007, 09:21:40 PM »
I think a good program should have (So far):

1.    a proven track record and a proven model.

2.   The school should be free from fences (where possible)

3.   have therapists which are independent from the school (paid separately).
 
4.   I would pass on the whole host family mentality.
 
5.   The staff should be young for the most part or at least the ones interfacing with the kids on a daily bases.

6.   The school should be highly structured and selective on the type of kids the accept.

7.   The time period needs to be predetermined (+/- a month),
 
8.   kids need to be screened to determine if the program has a good chance to be successful..
no flight risks, kids with knives etc.

9.   I would not consider trying an all voluntary school.  We cant even do that in the public sector, I wouldnt expect a TBS to be any more enticing.



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« Reply #23 on: December 13, 2007, 10:14:03 PM »
Throw in first do no harm.

Then add a dash of don't keep people there unless there is a proven medical need.

Then go BAM with some human rights and advocates for them and the ability to freely call a lawyer or their family free of charge and unfettered, and maybe we might have a good treatment center for those who actually need treatment.

But as we've said, a program can't be good anymore than you can have a good concentration camp or dry water. It would be something else.
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« Reply #24 on: December 14, 2007, 01:31:32 AM »
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« Reply #25 on: December 14, 2007, 04:12:41 AM »
I asked a coworker who is a mother of two lovely young children. Her comment regarding Mr. Hinton was, "Americans need to consider drowning their ugly children more often."
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