I'm headed off to get my daughter from sage walk

[Anonymous]

My 13 YO daughter has been at sage walk for almost 60 days and she LOVES it.  She has nothing but positive things to say about it.  It's raised her self esteem by leaps and bounds to accomplish things she never dreamed of doing.  She loves the staff and even most of the food.

Just Reporting the Facts for those considering.

[TheWho]

My 13 YO daughter has been at sage walk for almost 60 days and she LOVES it.  She has nothing but positive things to say about it.  It's raised her self esteem by leaps and bounds to accomplish things she never dreamed of doing.  She loves the staff and even most of the food.

Just Reporting the Facts for those considering.

Good for her and for you.  It is a big commitment, I know, and a huge step.  I know exactly how you are feeling right now, its a great feeling isnt it?  I have heard a lot of nice things about Sage Walk and know she is in good hands...... I am happy to hear she is doing well.

Thanks for sharing.



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[Anonymous]

My god.

There's bloodstains on her legs on the inside. She's not doing anything but crying now. I don't know if she was raped. She can't even talk right now. They told me she was doing well.

I've just called the police. This is from a cellphone.

I don't know what's going to happen next.

What was I thinking?

If you were a part of this WHO I swear to god I am going to have you incarcerated.

who the HELL registered "sunshinedaydream"???

[TheWho]

Ha,Ha,Ha,  SunShineDaydream, welcome to fornits.    I am only laughing because that is a new way to react to a positive post.  Your daughters positive experience doesnt sit too well with most of the posters here, people get bashed for telling the truth here.  Dont take the negative comments to heart.



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[Anonymous]

lol @ dueling fiction

[Anonymous]

Sunshine, you'd do well to ignore Who.
He posts nasty messages (anonymously) and blames it on the good people of Fornits, so as to create the illusion that he is the good guy.
He's a shape-shifting troll extraordinaire.

[Covergaard]

You have to get the rape reported or it will end up getting covered up like so many things over the years.

Then the next thing is to be there for your daughter. The unfortunately part is that the very treatment she need to come over it has been ruined by her experience at that place.

How can she ever trust psychological support from anyone in the business?

It doesn't matter whether the rape was done by a staff member or a teenager detained in the program. She should have been protected.

You will properly ask yourself why they have not called the police before you arrived. There are two good reasons for that.

1) All complains from the teenagers detained in such program will be regarded as manipulation.
2) Being able to treat all kind of problems according to their marketing, they properly believed that they could bury this "incident" deep inside her mind so there was nothing to tell, when she graduated.

Don't use time to understand why her letter sounded so happy during the course. All to many of the detained students at many program have over the years been told to rewrite letters, if they sounded too negative.

You will properly also blame yourself by letting her go to such a program, when there is programs out there which let parents go with them, so the treatment becomes shorter and more efficience because there is no filter of misunderstand when the progress / set-backs are reported through staff at the office.

But months ago, there was no Fornits Wiki page about this program.

So all you to go after was a TV program, which of course was heavily edited and included activities, which the program normally do not offer.

I don't know what made you choose this program and it is also not my business. But how did you bring her there? Did she go voluntary or do she now have to struggle with the memory of being forced to a place where she was raped?

If not addressed properly this feeling could end up being far worse for your relationship than the actual rape.

(I must say that it has been a bad year for Aspen with the boy who strangled slowly to death a Aspen Achievement Academy and the boy who died in pain isolated over night at Youth Care)

[Anonymous]

My daughter is fine.  I'm not sure what this rape thing is.  I did a little more research then just watching the TV show.  This experience will help her be the person she was meant to be.  We are not bad parents.  We just can't compete with all the things that are meant to suck kids into a life of consumerism.  She's had an experience she couldn't have here.  I will be very surprised to find out she is lying in her letters, her therapist is lying, her pictures are lying, etc.

[Anonymous]

A lot of these people cannot stand to think that someone had a positive
experience or was helped by by a "program."

[Anonymous]

My daughter is fine.  I'm not sure what this rape thing is.  I did a little more research then just watching the TV show.  This experience will help her be the person she was meant to be.  We are not bad parents.  We just can't compete with all the things that are meant to suck kids into a life of consumerism.  She's had an experience she couldn't have here.  I will be very surprised to find out she is lying in her letters, her therapist is lying, her pictures are lying, etc.

It seems that the rape is false, but we have seen abuse so often (in police reports too) that it very well could be the bad experience of the week.

If she is fine, then use the honeymoon as the first months after a program is called to bond with her. 6 weeks banishment from the home are in my country regards as punishment for a kind of very severe crime. (Two 15 years old girls got 2 months prison to be served if they break the law in any way the next two years for kicking and beating a 14 year old year, so she was hospitalized for a week.)So I guess that she must have caused some violent domestic violence, you dont want to report to the authorities.

When she shuts down take her to the internet where she can talk with either this forum or members of the myspace group. You dont know what she went through, only other survivors know and they will like POW from Vietman or servicemen returning from Iraq keep a special bond.

See what a woman in her 30's wrote about her experience from her youth at another AEG program: Link

That is what your daughter is going to dream about some 10 years from now.

You have in a way opened for Pandoras box. AEG's program has a high level of demand for aftercare as seen from this report from the University of Idaho. Whatever fine result of the production order of a Stepford daughter they should create for you, it will be overshadowed in due time by issues created by the wilderness stay.

If she like Ali choose to sleep in another place either because she finds a roof claustrophobic or you did use a escort service so her own bed is no longer safe place, it will be minor issues.

Just enjoy that she is alive for a start and remember the honeymoon period. You dont know what kind of other children she has been together with and what kind of bad habbits she has learned from them

[Anonymous]

My daughter is fine.  I'm not sure what this rape thing is.  I did a little more research then just watching the TV show.  This experience will help her be the person she was meant to be.  We are not bad parents.  We just can't compete with all the things that are meant to suck kids into a life of consumerism.  She's had an experience she couldn't have here.  I will be very surprised to find out she is lying in her letters, her therapist is lying, her pictures are lying, etc.

So you set the example by hiring a very, very expensive contractor to which to outsource your parenting.  Who exactly is overrun by consumerism?  Your kid?  Think again, shiftless consumerist parent, think again.

[TheWho]

Sunshinedaydream, don’t pay any attention to the negativity, its the world they live in.  One of the people hounding you dropped out of their program after only a couple of months and now regrets it, cant get a job or pull his life together.  So he gives everyone who is doing well in programs a hard time and bullies the parents.

Many here are just out to spoil your reunion with your daughter because they didn’t do well themselves.  



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[Covergaard]

We have no such programs where I live unless you have broken the law severely. We have about 50 murders in our country per year out of a population of 5,000,000 people.

We have 1/10 of the share of the population in prison your country can achieve.

And we have a 16 year limit on buying alcohol. We have bag-parties (Parties where a bag with the childs name contains the amount of alcohol the parents have allowed the child to consume when God have given the permission to drink as a part of the confirmation in church (aged 13-14)) We have every town filled with Night Owls (Parents and other adults who voluntary guide teenagers in town)

As result of our policies the number of murders are down, the number of people killed in DUI related accidents are down, the number of teenage pregnancies are down and drugs have a strong compeditor in alcohol also making deaths caused by drugs something which reaches the frontpage of all newspapers when they happen.

So I have never been in a program. I live in a civilized country where you have to be convicted in court before being separeted from your familiy.

I am CIO in a business with 230 employees referring directly to the CEO. I have a house, car, 2 children and a cat.

So who are you speaking about?

Why do you have to be a part of a program in order to be a success?

[TheWho]

We have no such programs where I live unless you have broken the law severely. We have about 50 murders in our country per year out of a population of 5,000,000 people.

We have 1/10 of the share of the population in prison your country can achieve.

And we have a 16 year limit on buying alcohol. We have bag-parties (Parties where a bag with the childs name contains the amount of alcohol the parents have allowed the child to consume when God have given the permission to drink as a part of the confirmation in church (aged 13-14)) We have every town filled with Night Owls (Parents and other adults who voluntary guide teenagers in town)

As result of our policies the number of murders are down, the number of people killed in DUI related accidents are down, the number of teenage pregnancies are down and drugs have a strong compeditor in alcohol also making deaths caused by drugs something which reaches the frontpage of all newspapers when they happen.

So I have never been in a program. I live in a civilized country where you have to be convicted in court before being separeted from your familiy.

I am CIO in a business with 230 employees referring directly to the CEO. I have a house, car, 2 children and a cat.

So who are you speaking about?

Why do you have to be a part of a program in order to be a success?

You don’t need to attend a program to be successful in this country, although it may seem like it if you view our country thru fornits.  An extremely small number of at-risk kids attend therapeutic schools and/or Wilderness.  They are designed to give these kids a helping hand and get them back on track.  It seems each country approaches the problem a little differently.



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[Anonymous]

that is'nt a real parent. I actually recognize this writing style. It's a very repetetive troll